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So I'm creating a Cavalier with a Griffon Mount.
As per Monstrous Mount at lvl 7 it gains Pounce, which it can use with a Bite and two Talon attacks.
As per Mounted Combat rules: If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge.
So following those rules: Your mount actually carriies our YOUR Charge action and you simply gain the benefit.
So if my Mount takes a charge action she should be able to pounce with it. And since it's part of mounted combat i can also take my attack at the end of the charge.
Things get complicated when you consider Ride-by Attack
The feat states that "you may move and attack as if with a standard charge and then move again". Does this mean that my mount can Charge an enemy, make it's full-pounce attack, then keep moving the rest of the movement.
Ignoring Charge-paths adn the PCs attacks.
I've already speculated a bit on this and i'm interested if there's any rules/erratas/official statements towards this that can help clarify this.
I believe that Ride By Attack only allows the rider to make an attack.
"you may move and attack as if with a standard charge and then move again (continuing the straight line of the charge)."
I think the "as if" wording is where the mount's "standard charge" attack is replaced with the ability to move again after the charge without provoking any attacks of opportunity.
Your mount would need spring attack for it to move, attack, and move again.
The problem is that the rules for mounted combat are a mess and there's more a general idea of how things are supposed to work and how things actually work by the rules (hint, they don't actually work by the rules).
Your mount would need spring attack for it to move, attack, and move again.
The problem is that the rules for mounted combat are a mess and there's more a general idea of how things are supposed to work and how things actually work by the rules (hint, they don't actually work by the rules).
Except Spring Attack is a full-round action and can't be used while charging.
As far as I can tell via the current rules on mounted combat, the only purpose of ride by attack is to let you attack at reach and then keep moving another 5ft for your mount to get into reach for his charge attack. It's also potentially required to charge when your reach is longer than your mounts as otherwise you run into rules problems.
Now, with that said, mounted rules are a mess, I highly suggest staying away if you don't have a consistent GM that you can talk with and set house rules that actually work for mounted combat. Cause in something like PFS you'll run into people like me that wont let you charge if your mount has less reach than you do since that's what I feel the current rules say along with a potentially a dozen different way the rules work, since the rules basically don't work as they currently are.
Except Spring Attack is a full-round action and can't be used while charging.Your mount would need spring attack for it to move, attack, and move again.
The problem is that the rules for mounted combat are a mess and there's more a general idea of how things are supposed to work and how things actually work by the rules (hint, they don't actually work by the rules).
I didn't say the mount could do it while charging. I said it was the only way for the mount to move, attack, move.
You should be aware of this faq. Your GM may want to ignore that.
The rule that you take the ac penalty and gain the benefits when your mount charges has been removed. Also, if you are interested in using a lance or spirited charge, it will not work unless both you and your mount use the charge action (a "mounted charge"), not just when your mount charges. Note that if you and your mount have different reaches, this requires you to end your charges in two separate squares, which is impossible. Check with your GM to see how they want to handle that.
The wording of ride-by-attack is very bad. With the wording it doesnt let the mount continue moving after you charge, only you, so your mount would have to use two move actions, meaning it needs spring attack to attack with you, and couldn't use pounce. You wouldnt get the benefits of spirited charge, or a lance, or your mount's pounce if the mount double moves or spring attacks instead of charging. Some GMs rule the mount always charges when you charge, and won't let it double move/spring attack at all.
If your GM rules that ride-by-attack allows the mount to continue moving after a charge, then you could ride-by after a "mounted charge," gaining the benefits of the lance, spirited charge, and pounce. If your mount doesn't share your reach, but your GM still allows you to make the technically impossible mounted charge, you will likely end up in a square that doesnt allow both you and your mount to attack. Some GMs rule that ride-by-attack allows whoever has the shorter reach (rider or mount) to keep moving after the other attacks and "complete" the charge in front of the opponent, attacking there.
Many GMs rule that ride-by-attack doesn't let the mount attack, on the grounds that its silly, and the feat is so poorly worded they can pretty much decide that it does whatever they say it does.
You should also not that a charge requires you to move "to the closest square from which you could make a melee attack," which often prevents you from choosing a charge lane that lets you ride-by. Some GMs rule that moving "directly towards" your opponent means your charge lane always runs straight into the opponent, and you can never ride-by. Some GMs make ride-by the exception to the charge rules, or change the charge rules, in order to allow a ride-by.