Does the weapon training class feature of the arsenal chaplain archetype work with the gloves of dueling? Does the feature count as a prerequisite for the advanced weapon training feat? (arsenal chaplains can take fighter-exclusive feats)
1. Definitely.
2. Official ruling (I believe) hasn't come yet, but most message board posters and I agree that it does qualify you for the feat, not the free 9th level feature.
Thanks! One more question though. The answer to #2 confuses me. If I could get more weapon groups with weapon training, could I not trade them in for the 9th level feature? For example, I could apply weapon training to my deity's favored weapon, or to a weapon I took weapon focus with. What is the reasoning for not getting the 9th level feature? Not arguing one way or the other just want to understand it.
I am assuming that people seem to think "sacred weapons" are a "group." Is that right? To me it seems like you still choose groups but only get the benefits for the specific weapons in those groups that are your sacred weapons, but I guess I am biased.
For those at home, I found the messageboards he was referencing. PFS doesn't let the warpriest take the feat or take the 9th level feature, but for home games, both work RAW
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For those at home, I found the messageboards he was referencing. PFS doesn't let the warpriest take the feat or take the 9th level feature, but for home games, both work RAW
yup that's the state of things
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It looks like I may have been wrong about the RAW of the chaplain's advanced weapon training. Found a developer response that says the intent was to make sacred weapons the one and only group, meaning no advanced weapon training at level 9.
It looks like I may have been wrong about the RAW of the chaplain's advanced weapon training. Found a developer response that says the intent was to make sacred weapons the one and only group, meaning no advanced weapon training at level 9.
I believe that will be the official ruling, eventually.
PFS ruled no on taking the feat for...unknown reason to me.
But for a regular warpriest they wont be able to trade a weapon group for Advanced Weapon training (because they only get one weapon group) but will be allowed to select the feat using their bonus feats which allow them to select normally fighter only feats.
Where is the decision that warpriests do not qualify for the feat stated? It does not seem to be in the additional resources.
I looked back through the posts and I don't see anyone indicating that Molthuni Arsenal Chaplains only get a "sacred weapons" group. I think you just misinterpreted things. There's three things going on.
1) Molthuni Arsenal Chaplain gets Weapon Training at 5th level. It works exactly like the fighter Weapon Training, including at higher levels.
2) A MAC only gets the benefit of Weapon Training for weapons in with which he has Weapon Focus.
3) (PFS specific rule) A MAC does not qualify for Advanced Weapon Training.Because of the way the rule in 3 is worded the MAC cannot swap out his 9th level Weapon Training benefit for an Advanced Weapon Training (which John indicated was intentional) but also cannot take the Advanced Weapon Training feat which John is (hopefully still) considering allowing.
Yep that was my take away from the linked post above which i will quote again.
Both of those archetypes qualify. The Molthuni arsenal champion does not simply because it is a false choice; they only get weapon training for weapons for which they have Weapon Focus, so should such a warpriest not take further Weapon Focus feats, they effectively have a "spare" weapon group that's not applying to anything starting at level 9. Using that to purchase an advanced weapon training trick is basically free--or would be.So the Molthune Arsenal Chaplain warpriest can't take the Advances Weapon Training feats.
What about the Myrmidarch magus and the Sohei monk? Both of those archetypes get Weapon Training as a class feature.
Just some further insight on this issue in relation to how John sees it ruled.
Where is the decision that warpriests do not qualify for the feat stated? It does not seem to be in the additional resources.
Since the feat is on the same page the AR effectively bans both the class feature and feat for MAC.