Do Class features affect racial poisons


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Sovereign Court

2 people marked this as FAQ candidate.

Do class features that effect poisons created by a character apply to poisons generated by the character's bodily functions?

Specifically, Sticky Poison (alchemist 6) and Vishkanya Venom? And for my purposes this is for PFS though this is a general question. I have a VC saying that because the Venom does not use the word "creates", that sticky poison doesn't apply. I take the interpretation that it is not a purchased item and by the abilities of the character it comes into existence, therefore "created".

Additionally/separately, is Vishkanya Venom even a poison? Mechanically it functions like a poison (DC, injury type, save condition, ability damage) and "venom" in the English language is a synonym for poison, but it doesn't explicitly say "this is a poison effect".

Silver Crusade

Wouldn't know about the class ability interaction, but yes, Vishkanya venom is in fact a poison, it has the exact same formatting as poisons (I don't really know anything that says "this is a poison effect").

I'm inclined to say the class ability would work with racial poisons after reading it, it does say "any" and I would definitely say it makes perfect sense for an alchemist to be able to modify their own stuff, it'd be kinda wierd not to actually.

Sovereign Court

Unfortunately, I need more of an "official response", if you could click the FAQ button that would be great!

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Venomous things have to inject their venom, while poisonous things have to be eaten or rubbed against you for the poison to work. Pathfinder just uses "Poison" as a blanket term, with "Inject/ingest/contact" to describe how they get into your system.

In a home game, I could see justification for this either way: for sticky poison to affect poison effected by vishkanya, a hardline GM could say you'd have to spit in a jar and mix your catalyst in with it (meaning you'd have to prepare it in advance, use up a use of your venom, and not be able to apply it as a swift action unless you have swift poisoning), while a more permissive GM would let you drink/eat/chew the non-toxic catalyst, letting you use sticky poison as part of your swift action poisoning. I'd personally pick the permissive one.

As this is PFS, I'm no VC, but it looks to me as if making poison sticky shouldn't stop working depending on whether the poison is made of ground-up plants or squeezed out of one's own venom glands.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

As a tangential aside, I would like to try a vishkanya paladin at some point who's forsworn the use of her venom, but I'd probably save her for a one-shot module. I don't know which.

Sovereign Court

To the later point (is the Venom a poison) it appears that it is labeled as a poison in bestiary 3 for the "monster", but the keyword was (likely accidently) omitted from the player race write up in the advanced player's guide.

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