Looking for some clarification on an upcoming character idea.
Tieflings have an alternate racial for the cost of a spell-like on the variant table to gain Over-Sized Limbs. This removes the negatives for fighting with Large weapons.
Titan Fighter's Giant Weapon Wielder allows the use of Large two-handed weapons at an additional -2 to hit, in addition to the normal negatives.
If I were to have both skills would I gain access to large 2h weapons, without a negative applied to either attack or damage?
Over-sized Limbs alone lets you wield a Large 2h (assuming you're Medium) without any penalties. Giant Weapon Wielder becomes redundant. Well, you could try to argue the GM into letting you wield Huge 2h weapons, but RAW they don't stack.
I've been told Large weapons can't be wielded by medium characters, period. Is there any FAQ or thread to show that over-sized limbs with Large 2h weapons works?
With Over-sized Limbs stating it removes the negatives, and the rule on over-sized weapons being you cant 2h a large 2h weapon I don't see how it works.
This isn't a "You're wrong" this is more of a "can you show me where" so when I go to my GM I'm prepared. :)
The issue is we don't have good rules around weapons and wielding.
Gaining proficiency just removes the un-proficient penalty, never stating that you are now proficient.
So over-sized could be stating that large weapons are also meant for you, in which case you can off the bat use a large THW.
Or it could be stating that you can follow normal rules for how big of weapons you can use and thus normally large THW are out.
As to how it works for titan fighter. Rule wise both views are possible a -2 for inappropriately sized, and a separate -2 from class. So the tiefling would only remove 1 of the -2s. Or it's a total now of -4 which all goes away.
Really, since gaining the use of large limbs is already a shaky GM granted ability they'll have to decide how it works.
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My 2 cents, before they changed the writing around titan fighter and mauler there was significant argument about whether you could or couldn't wield a large 2 hand weapon. This is due to the handed issue of scaling. A light weapon becomes 1 hand, a 1 hand becomes 2, and a two hand becomes 3? There were already hard rules in place for trying to wield some of these weapons but more or less the tables didnt go high enough to say what happened to large 2 handed weapons, thus they changed the titan classes to specifically state you can wield large 2 handed weapons. Whether this change reflects large two handed weapons in general or just these classes is going to be your GM's call unfortunately.
I've been told Large weapons can't be wielded by medium characters, period. Is there any FAQ or thread to show that over-sized limbs with Large 2h weapons works?
With Over-sized Limbs stating it removes the negatives, and the rule on over-sized weapons being you cant 2h a large 2h weapon I don't see how it works.
This isn't a "You're wrong" this is more of a "can you show me where" so when I go to my GM I'm prepared. :)
Frankly it never occurred to me not to interpret over-sized limbs as "your arms are Large so wield weapons as if you were Large." But searching the forum I see that while I'm not the only one who finds that obvious, there are people who find the other (restrictive) interpretation equally obvious. So you'll have to ask your GM which way they see it.
Assuming your OSL Tiefling can in fact wield 2h large weapons, and to play devil advocate here for a minute. Does that mean large weapons are now part of the list of weapons intended for him to use?
If yes, and you took a level in Titan Fighter, would you be able to wield huge weapons with the negatives a medium character would normally get for large weapons?
IE medium character holding large weapon gets -2 to attack. Assuming you could, same character wields huge weapon at a -4.
Medium Tiefling with OSL wields a 2h large weapon with no negative, 2h huge weapons would be -2, or woudl they be unable to be wielded by him. If he cant wield them, would Titan Fighter make it possible to do so as it reads " titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself" See above. So -2 to hit for huge 2h weapon, or -4?
I find the writing not really clear, there have been a few threads about it already.
One approach is: Go by power level. You give up a spell-like ability, emulating a level 1 or 2 spell, 1/day. So you should get something in return, but not that much. Let's start with a strict interpretation: It only removes the penalty, and doesn't allow you to wield anything you couldn't without.
So, instead of a greatsword (2d6, 7 in average) you use a Large bastard sword (2d8, 9 in average). That's an upgrade of +2 damage - equivalent to a feat (e.g. Weapon Specialization). It will become more with size increases (assuming you can still apply actual and effective increases) and with Vital Strike.
Hence I'd say: That's good enough for a little racial trait.
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OSL does indeed overcome the restrictions on wielding oversized two-handed weapons. It's one of the very few options that does. It's written verbatim as the Redcap (a small-sized creature wielding a medium-sized scythe) and one of the giants (though I can't recall which one right now).
Of course, if your GM doesn't want you to, then you can't anyways.
I find the writing not really clear, there have been a few threads about it already.
One approach is: Go by power level. You give up a spell-like ability, emulating a level 1 or 2 spell, 1/day. So you should get something in return, but not that much. Let's start with a strict interpretation: It only removes the penalty, and doesn't allow you to wield anything you couldn't without.
So, instead of a greatsword (2d6, 7 in average) you use a Large bastard sword (2d8, 9 in average). That's an upgrade of +2 damage - equivalent to a feat (e.g. Weapon Specialization). It will become more with size increases (assuming you can still apply actual and effective increases) and with Vital Strike.
Hence I'd say: That's good enough for a little racial trait.
You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.
A redcap can wield weapons sized for Medium creatures without penalty.
So then what about this?
Furthermore, Titan Fighter is asking for 'one-size category larger' while this is saying you can wield Large weapons without penalty.
If we assume that these don't stack, does this mean that the oversized limbs have a hard-coded size, and when the tiefling is enlarged, the limbs ability does not scale up as well? This seems a bit silly.