Okay so we know a medium creature with exotic weapon proficiency (bastard sword) can use a medium bastard sword in one hand or two.
It can use a large bastard sword in two hands at a -2 penalty to hit.
Can it take a small bastard sword, at a -2 penalty to hit and use it;
As a one handed small weapon, equivalent to light for the medium creature, and use finesse and light two weapon fighting penalties,
As a two handed small weapon in one hand as a one handed weapon.
As a two handed small weapon in two hands as a one handed weapon held in two hands.
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Effectively making a small bastard sword in regards to a proficient medium wielder, at a -2 penalty to hit; a light weapon that can be wielded in two hands for 1.5 STR bonus (however loosing the ability to finesse)
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I would rule no. A bastard sword is large enough that it is normally used as a 2h weapon. With special training you can learn to wield it in one hand. But that required long term training with the weapon at its normal size, the smaller sized weapon isn't used in the same manner so it doesn't benefit the same way from your training.
Also, your secret plan for exotice weapon proficiency bastard sword and TWF with med bastard sword+small bastard sword just comes across a little rediculous!
First the bastard sword is primarily a one handed exotic weapon. After all the dueling sword, sawtooth sabre, and khopesh are not normally used as longswords.
Plus the text says
A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. You can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon
Bold mine.
And a two weapon bastards word fighter sounds really cool. I didn't think of that. I was thinking heavy shield sword and board fighter that could two hand effectively without having to two hand his shield.
Edit: okay so actually to be clear what I'm asking is can I two hand a small bastard sword. "is it light?" What just what I thought the applicable title should be. There is no question as to weather it is light or not. The first option, use as a light weapon, is 100% the case, as with any one handed small weapon. What I'm asking is are all three right? Can I use it as a one and two handed weapon as well.
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First the bastard sword is primarily a one handed exotic weapon. After all the dueling sword, sawtooth sabre, and khopesh are not normally used as longswords.
Plus the text says
A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. You can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weaponBold mine.
And a two weapon bastards word fighter sounds really cool. I didn't think of that. I was thinking heavy shield sword and board fighter that could two hand effectively without having to two hand his shield.
If you're looking to Sword&Board why do you need the Bastard sword to be Light... are you REALLY wanting to Two-Weapon fight with Bastard Sword and Shield, and do it by choosing to make the bastard sword the light weapon instead of the shield?????
Yeah. Light shield, longsword -2/-2 +1 ac
Heavy shield longsword -4/-4 +2 AC,
Heavy shield shortsword -2/-2 +2 AC
But than the only option for two handing, like if I was trying to break a door or or coup-de-gras-ing I'd be just smashing my bash disk into things like Tyrion Lannister.
So one feat and;
Heavy shield small bastard sword -2/-4 +2 AC
At least that's my hope.
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Yeah. Light shield, longsword -2/-2 +1 ac
Heavy shield longsword -4/-4 +2 AC,
Heavy shield shortsword -2/-2 +2 AC
But than the only option for two handing, like if I was trying to break a door or or coup-de-gras-ing I'd be just smashing my bash disk into things like Tyrion Lannister.
So one feat and;
Heavy shield small bastard sword -2/-4 +2 ACAt least that's my hope.
so you want to use your Heavy Shield to bash a door down and not bypass hardness, when you can get (by lvl 3-4) a full sized Adamantine Bastard Sword and bypass the door's hardness when you slash it down?
If this is all about dual Wielding with a shield and using a shield bash to break down a door, why not save a feat and use a trait, or use a feat to get 2 traits and have a bonus trait!
You were trained to use shields as weapons.
Benefit: Heavy and light shields are considered simple weapons rather than martial weapons for you. Heavy shields are considered light weapons for you.
Source: Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Gods
Longsword + Heavy Shield -2/-2 +2AC
Alternatively, there's nothing that say's you can't 2hand a shield when you're bashing with it!
I wan't to not two hand a shield, but that trait works for that too. that's rad.
You can take possessed hand and hands autonomy to lower those penalties by 2, but that's a lot of feats for most builds.
That possessed hand is cool.
Nefreet, you can't finess an inapropriately sized weapon even if it's light? we're not making a two handed dueling blade or a one handed elven curve blade. I would think that you can finesse a tiny falchion because it's a light weapon though right?
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Weapon Finesse (Combat)
You are trained in using your agility in melee combat, as opposed to brute strength.Benefit: With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls.
Special: Natural weapons are considered light weapons.
Ah alright darn
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First the bastard sword is primarily a one handed exotic weapon. After all the dueling sword, sawtooth sabre, and khopesh are not normally used as longswords.
Plus the text says
A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. You can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weaponBold mine.
And a two weapon bastards word fighter sounds really cool. I didn't think of that. I was thinking heavy shield sword and board fighter that could two hand effectively without having to two hand his shield.
Edit: okay so actually to be clear what I'm asking is can I two hand a small bastard sword. "is it light?" What just what I thought the applicable title should be. There is no question as to weather it is light or not. The first option, use as a light weapon, is 100% the case, as with any one handed small weapon. What I'm asking is are all three right? Can I use it as a one and two handed weapon as well.
So even when it came to using a small bastard sword as a light weapon to get off-hand penalties reduced you would not gain a damage bonus for wielding it in two hands as a light weapon you have the following limitation:
Light: A light weapon is used in one hand. It is easier to use in one's off hand than a one-handed weapon is, and can be used while grappling (see Combat). Add the wielder's Strength modifier to damage rolls for melee attacks with a light weapon if it's used in the primary hand, or half the wielder's Strength bonus if it's used in the off hand. Using two hands to wield a light weapon gives no advantage on damage; the Strength bonus applies as though the weapon were held in the wielder's primary hand only.
Bastard Sword: Is this a one-handed weapon or a two-handed weapon?
A bastard sword is a one-handed weapon (although for some rules it blurs the line between a one-handed and a two-handed weapon).The physical properties of a bastard sword are that of a one-handed weapon. For example, its hardness, hit points, ability to be crafted out of special materials, category for using the Craft skill, effect of alchemical silver, and so on, are all that of a one-handed weapon.
For class abilities, feats, and other rule elements that vary based on or specifically depend on wielding a one-handed weapon, a two-handed weapon, or a one-handed weapon with two hands, the bastard sword counts as however many hands you are using to wield it.
For example, if you are wielding it one-handed (which normally requires the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat), it is treated as a one-handed weapon; Power Attack only gets the one-handed bonus, you cannot use Pushing Assault or Shield of Swings (which require a two-handed weapon), and so on.
If you are wielding it with two hands (whether or not you have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency to wield it with one hand), it is treated as a two-handed weapon; Power Attack gets the increased damage bonus, you can use Pushing Assault or Shield of Swings (which require a two-handed weapon), and so on.
An unusual case of the handedness rule is an ability that allows you to treat a two-handed weapon as a one-handed weapon. For example, the titan mauler's jotungrip (which allows you to wield a two-handed weapon with one hand) allows you to wield a bastard sword in one hand even without the Exotic Weapon Proficiency, and (as the ability states) treats it as a one-handed weapon, therefore it is treated as a one-handed weapon for other effects.
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what you want is an Effortless Lace wraped around your medium bastard sword.