| Daw |
Hmm,
From the text of Resurrect...
You can revive someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed. This spell can also resurrect elementals or outsiders, but it can't resurrect constructs or undead creatures.
This kind of assumes that all undead have souls, but I would say the zero Int ones only have the soul trapped as a power supply, and don't actually use their Int.
(So they can only be zombies or politicians?)
Murdock Mudeater
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Hmm,
From the text of Resurrect...
You can revive someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed. This spell can also resurrect elementals or outsiders, but it can't resurrect constructs or undead creatures.This kind of assumes that all undead have souls, but I would say the zero Int ones only have the soul trapped as a power supply, and don't actually use their Int.
(So they can only be zombies or politicians?)
Actually, with ressurection, it's more than the creature they are a corpse of, that creature, when they were alive, had a soul. Undead are just other people's corpses, and in pathfinder, corpses don't have souls.
As per 'raising the dead' in the CRB, when a living creature dies, their soul goes to the plane of their deity, or the plane of their alignment if they lack a deity. The corpse stays behind. And since undead are made of corpses, so they don't have souls. If you cast Ressurection on undead, they don't become living versions of their undead selves, they revive as the creature that was the corpse which created the undead.
There are some undead that retain their mind from their former life, so it could be assumed that they retain their soul too. Liches and such.
Ultimately up to the GM and in how much detail they want to go into for their game.
| Aldrakan |
Probably any sentient undead can be assumed to have a soul, but only certain kinds of undead have the soul of the person they were created from. After all even animals have souls.
I wouldn't necessarily use whether they retain their mind as a guideline on whether it's the same soul though.
Liches, ghosts, raveners, and graveknights obviously do, the rest I can think of are pretty up in the air.
Mohrg's don't retain class levels but they might have the soul, as they retain the killing preferences of the original even though they often don't remember much else. The Seal-Breaker antipaladin archetype can "summon the spirit of a dead murderer" to possess a corpse and this turns it into a mohrg.
Vampires, no idea. Mythology and fiction varies wildly over whether it's an evil spirit possessing a corpse, whether the original soul is trapped in there, or whether the original soul is just given a new mindset.
Skeletal champions can be created long after resurrection would be impossible and becomes evil, so even though they retain class levels and memory I'm inclined to say they're an evil spirit, same for juju zombies.
I have a necromancer in a stalled campaign, and I divided it into
mind, body, and soul. In all cases it's using the dead person as a base, but which parts it uses depends, and it may use only parts of them (e.g. a beheaded uses the body but...not the whole thing).
Liches and raveners use all three (not sure about the rejuvenation ability, but raveners seem obvious), ghosts use mind and soul, skeletal champions use mind and body. Mohrg's use body and soul. Attic whisperers only use the mind, and not all of that (because their minds shape the form of undead they take, even though they might not remember their lives), same goes for wraiths, shadows and similar. Zombies just use the body, skeletals also use a tiny fraction of the mind (hence retain proficiency).