Empty Quiver Style and Giant Weapon Wielder


Rules Questions


How does Empty Quiver Style feat interact with the Titan Fighter ability Giant Weapon Wielder? Would it allow you to wield a large sized bow as a bow, or only as a large sized heavy club, or does it do nothing at all?

Empty Quiver Style:
Benefit(s): While using this style, you can make melee attacks with the chosen weapon as if it were a heavy mace (or a light mace for melee attack made with a hand crossbow or one-handed firearm), though you don’t automatically threaten the area around you as if you were wielding a melee weapon.

Giant Weapon Wielder:
At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an over-sized two-handed weapon.

This ability replaces the fighter’s 1st level bonus feat.

As a general question, does Empty Quiver Style treat a bow as a melee weapon and a ranged weapon at the same time or only when being used as one or the other?

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

What's slowing you to use a large bow at all? Neither of those do.

EQS would make that large bow a medium heavy mace for melee attacks.

A bow isn't a two handed melee weapon so it wouldn't interact with GWW.


Yeah, while some ranged weapons require two hands to use they do not fall into the category of "two-handed weapons" because the implication is two-handed melee weapon.

Ranged weapons just fall in the ranged weapon category.

If somehow you were able to wield a large size category ranged weapon, it would be treated as a large size category heavy mace or light mace as appropriate.


Kinda reminds of the build me and a buddy were messing around with after RoW was over basically using EQS with a small mortar and clubbing people with the mortar in melee and using the free reloads to shoot at far off enemies.


James Risner wrote:

What's slowing you to use a large bow at all? Neither of those do.

EQS would make that large bow a medium heavy mace for melee attacks.

A bow isn't a two handed melee weapon so it wouldn't interact with GWW.

Well, what I was curious about is if Empty Quiver Style would then allow the bow to count as a large melee weapon because you could use at as one. What I was wondering was if, while using EQS, a large bow would count as both a heavy club and a bow at the same time, thus making the bow a large melee weapon (and thus qualify as a large melee weapon for the purpose of Giant Weapon Wielder), or if the bow was a heavy club only when used as a heavy club, and a bow only when used as a bow.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

It's a mace when used as a mace, a bow when used as a bow.
Neither look to me like allowing you to use a large version.
Plus if you did have a large bow, I don't see anything showing you'd then have a large mace.

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