flat footed with insight ac


Rules Questions


Ok so my GM is building a campaign were one of his bosses can apply 25 insight bounce to his allies to any and every thing as an immediate action. So I would like to know if the flat footed condition; of one not being aware of the attack would have their insight bonus to AC negated or if there is some why to mitigate it.

P.S. sorry about lack of grammar


When you are flat footed you only lose your dex bonus to AC and any bonuses to AC that say they are lost if you are flat footed. Most if not all dodge bonuses come under that latter category. I have not done an exhaustive study of insight bonuses but I believe that few, if any, are lost while flat footed.

So maybe, but probably not.

I'm not aware of anyway to mitigate it, maybe your GM has a plan.


please don't quote me on this, because a better rules guru can confirm or deny, but i dont believe you can take immediate actions before you've gone, fixing this by a somewhat different method.

at least in round 1

Scarab Sages

Combat Rules wrote:

Immediate Actions

Much like a swift action, an immediate action consumes a very small amount of time but represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action. However, unlike a swift action, an immediate action can be performed at any time—even if it’s not your turn. Casting feather fall is an immediate action, since the spell can be cast at any time.

Using an immediate action on your turn is the same as using a swift action and counts as your swift action for that turn. You cannot use another immediate action or a swift action until after your next turn if you have used an immediate action when it is not currently your turn (effectively, using an immediate action before your turn is equivalent to using your swift action for the coming turn). You also cannot use an immediate action if you are flat-footed.

Sovereign Court

Insight bonuses aren't affected by flat-footedness. Only Dex and Dodge bonuses.

However, as Lorewalker showed, the boss can't apply his Immediate ability while he's flat-footed himself.

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