Can I use Startoss Style with a spear?


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I ask because Spear is one of the few 2-handed thrown weapons. I would imagine that I'm still throwing the weapon in one hand. but wield it 2-handed as a melee weapon.

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You can throw 2-handed weapons.
It just takes a full-round action to throw it once.

From the PRD wrote:
Thrown Weapons: Daggers, clubs, shortspears, spears, darts, javelins, throwing axes, light hammers, tridents, shuriken, and nets are thrown weapons. The wielder applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown weapons (except for splash weapons). It is possible to throw a weapon that isn't designed to be thrown (that is, a melee weapon that doesn't have a numeric entry in the Range column on Table: Weapons), and a character who does so takes a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.

Bold on the relevant point.

Since you are wielding the weapon in both hands, I would say Startoss would not apply. A trident will do the same base damage dice, but has a smaller range increment (10 vs 20) and is a martial weapon vs simple.

If you were set on spear, perhaps a spear sized for a small creature (assuming you were medium sized) this should bring it down to a 1h weapon. It would keep the x3 crit multiplier and the brace quality, but otherwise it would be the same as a Shortspear... at a -2 to hit.

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First, the weapon needs to be in the thrown fighter weapon group. Simply being "throwable" isn't enough, even if the weapon has a range increment.

Second, you can only use the style when wielding a weapon in one hand, and using nothing in your off-hand.

My answer would be "No."


Overall, just go with short spears. They are part of the thrown group, they are one handed so you don't need to argue about hands (and you keep the option to 2 hand it for melee). It would just be a reduction of 1 damage. Tridents suit the same for martial weapons, but they don't lose the damage.

Sovereign Court

Alexander Augunas wrote:

First, the weapon needs to be in the thrown fighter weapon group. Simply being "throwable" isn't enough, even if the weapon has a range increment.

Second, you can only use the style when wielding a weapon in one hand, and using nothing in your off-hand.

My answer would be "No."

1) Spear is in the thrown weapon fighter group.

2) A Small Spear as I noted would be a 1-handed weapon anyway.


The doru is a spear that can also be used one-handed (assuming you have proficiency with all martial weapons) and that is in the Thrown Fighter Weapon Group.


Ah, Thanks for the help. Think I'll use a chakram instead. Xena classic after all.

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