If you have mirror image and a miss chance (from dim light, concealment, a spell, etc), does the miss chance apply to attacks that would hit your images?
want to know how you can counter both?
you just gotta close your eyes.
blinded has a far more tolerable chance of failure than stacking concealment with mirror image.
and it allows the use of blind fight as well.
If they can't see your images, they are ignored. Just the miss chance.
If they can't see your images, they are ignored. Just the miss chance.
which means that even dim lighting can suppress a mirror image spell.
ENEMY WIZARD; i cast mirror image
ROGUE; so what, i'll just turn off the lights, good bye images
FIGHTER; i smack the enemy wizard now that his greatest defense has been drastically weakened. power attacking with a falchion for huge amounts of damage. does he drop from my amazing DPR.
DM; from now onward, use of the internet is forever banned at my table.
want to know how you can counter both?
you just gotta close your eyes.
blinded has a far more tolerable chance of failure than stacking concealment with mirror image.
and it allows the use of blind fight as well.
That wasn't the question and is not suitable for the rules forum as it's currently being debated furiously in another thread. Can an admin delete the quoted post, please? I'm only looking for RAW answers to the original question alone.
If they´re not ´blind´ I would roll Concealment first then Mirror Image. I think if they hit AC-5 (which is done before Concealment) then an image is still destroyed IF they can see it (not ´blind´), whether or not Concealment would have forced a miss. You can still see in Dim Lighting, so you definitely see Images unless you are blinded (e.g. in Darkness).
An attacker must be able to see the figments to be fooled. If you are invisible or the attacker is blind, the spell has no effect (although the normal miss chances still apply).
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which means that even dim lighting can suppress a mirror image spell.
Dim lighting would not render mirror image useless. In dim lighting you can see shapes and outlines; you can see that something is there even if you can't see what that something is. (Darkness, on the otherhand, renders one blind, which would obviate mirror image.)
Edit: Quandry has the right of it.
Order of Resolution
1) Did the attack roll succeed?
1a) Did the attack roll miss by five or less?
2) Did the concealment check succeed?
3) Did the attack target an image or the target?
Besides that there are ZERO penalties of any kind to Perception in Dim Light,
Complete Darkness itself only gives a -4 Perception penalty, compared to the +20/40 DC from Invisibilty.
Both Darkness and Invisible are effectively Blindness, so you can´t target any creature / discern their location normally, but you have a much better chance of ´Perceiving´ events going around you in mere Darkness vs. the actions of Invisible opponents in normal (or dim) light. Wierd.
If you have mirror image and a miss chance (from dim light, concealment, a spell, etc), does the miss chance apply to attacks that would hit your images?
Yes it does.
James Jacobs(from another thread)-->Mirror image doesn't kick in until you hit the target. So... check for miss chance. If you miss, attack ends. If you hit, then check to see if you hit the actual target or an image.
From me:However Dim lighting does not confer a miss chance.
This means the miss chance is taken care of first.
Next is the attack role, and the issue of whether the attack hit the intended target or an image.
From me:However Dim lighting does not confer a miss chance.
From the Vision and Light chapter:
"In an area of dim light, a character can see somewhat. Creatures within this area have concealment (20% miss chance in combat) from those without darkvision or the ability to see in darkness."
From me:However Dim lighting does not confer a miss chance.
From the Vision and Light chapter:
"In an area of dim light, a character can see somewhat. Creatures within this area have concealment (20% miss chance in combat) from those without darkvision or the ability to see in darkness."
I guess my light condition rules are wrong. Oh well, ya learn something new every day.