Hello all, and thank you for reading my post and offering to help!
In my current campaign, I am making an unchained barbarian who focuses on crit-based attacks. I don't know or care anything about character maximization, it was just an idea that I wanted to create.
The Drider race is what I am choosing, and this is where things become slightly complicated. The rule in question is this:
"In addition, driders may use weapons and armor as if the weapons and armor were Medium-sized (instead of Large)."
The reason I am questioning it is because, to my understanding, the "size" rule should still apply, albeit without the penalty due to the above quote from the drider:
"The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder’s size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon’s designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can’t wield the weapon at all."
Would this second quoted rule work in reverse order? Meaning, could a Large creature use a Medium two-handed weapon in one hand? Because if not, I gotta rework... a lot.
Thanks so much for the information, and I apologize if some of my format is off.
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I believe you have misread the rules on Driders.
In the Bestiary, the Driders use Medium sized weapons.
Here is the explaination in the Bestiary...
bestiary page 113 wrote:
Undersized Weapons (Ex) Although a drider is Large,
its upper torso is the same size as that of a Medium
humanoid’s upper torso. As a result, it wields weapons
as if it were one size category smaller than its actual size
(Medium for most driders). This is saying that the Large creature is using Medium weapons, the same size as the torso that is wielding them.
Well, RAW the rule says that "MAY use weapons and armor as if the weapons and armor were Medium-sized". The "may" is what is the wording in question, because it implies optional.
If it is important to note, I am using the PFSRD where it has Drider as an actual race.
(Race>Other Races>More Races>Very Powerful Races>Drider)
The race Drider is from the ARG, where they stated out the race for play. It differs from the bestiary Drider in that it lacks undersized weapons and instead has Quadruped that has the quote in the 1st post.
graystone wrote: The race Drider is from the ARG, where they stated out the race for play. It differs from the bestiary Drider in that it lacks undersized weapons and instead has Quadruped that has the quote in the 1st post. So what would be the ruling for what I asked? Could I use... say, a medium Greatsword in each hand?
ARG wrote: Quadruped (2 RP): Prerequisites: Any type except humanoid, Large size, normal speed; Benefit: Members of this race possess four legs and two arms, granting them a +4 racial bonus to CMD against trip attempts and a +10 foot bonus to their base speed. In addition, members of this race use weapons and armor as if they were Medium (instead of Large). Special: The number of legs can be increased by 2 for each additional 1 RP spent. Each such increase grants an additional +4 racial bonus to CMD against trip attempts, but no other bonus. I don't see any "may" there.
It say "members of this race use weapons and armor as if they were Medium". So the members of the race use medium weapons, not large weapons.
The will not be able to wield 2 greatswords.
BTW, if you want to play a crit based barbarian, falchions or scimitars are better. And there is a famous drow that use 2 scimitars ....
:P
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It is saying the same thing, using the weapons as if the creature was Medium Sized. (Centaur and Drider)
Advanced Race Guide page 239 wrote:
Quadruped (2 RP): Prerequisites: Any type except humanoid,
Large size, normal speed; Benefit: Members of this race possess
four legs and two arms, granting them a +4 racial bonus to
CMD against trip attempts and a +10 foot bonus to their
base speed. In addition, members of this race use weapons
and armor as if they were Medium (instead of Large). Special:
The number of legs can be increased by 2 for each additional
1 RP spent. Each such increase grants an additional +4 racial
bonus to CMD against trip attempts, but no other bonus.
The quote is the same as above, it is as if the Creature was Medium, not the weapons themselves, meaning the weapons need to actually be Medium, or use the inappropriately sized weapons rules as if the creature was Medium sized.
He misread the sentence, and the context is easier to determine if you take the Bestiary entry into account.
See, this is where I should have done the effort to find the ARG and look at it that way instead of using the SRD. The Official ARG does say "use weapons and armor as if they were medium" (paraphrased). The SRD says may, which implied that it was optional.
Diego, you have both helped me and broke my heart. Thank you so much for enlightening me to the right information. Now I have to go rework... a lot of things. Sadness.
By the way, if what I thought would have worked, it was going to be two Elven Curved Swords with the "keen" and "impact" traits. That's an extended crit range and damage as if they were one size bigger. Which would have amounted too...
Five attacks (FRA, TWF & Greater TWF) at a 15-20/x2 crit range, and a decent 2d8+9 with rage. (3d8 when I used my enlarge through my titanic armor)
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Diego Rossi wrote:
The will not be able to wield 2 greatswords.
Well, they could, if they was sized for a Small Creature (One Handed), or a Tiny one(Light).
thaX wrote:
Well, they could, if they was sized for a Small Creature (One Handed), or a Tiny one(Light).
that -2 penalty wouldn't be very nice. I was already working in a -4 per attack because the weapons would not be light.
I was sure that impact was limited to blunt weapons, instead it has the 3 superscript, not 2, and that say: "3 Piercing or slashing weapons only (slashing only for vorpal)."
No impact for B weapons? Weird.
I understand the confusion, I would think that if they were to differentiate between them, the P and S weapons would have something like "Impale" for the same ability and leave "impact" for blunt.
So, I guess its not all bad. my "To hits" do not change, but my damage goes to a d10 (2d8 with titanic armor for a minute)
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