| Thomas2017 |
I think I understand, but I just want to be sure.
Let's say Player 1 is playing a wizard, and encounters a monster.
He has a damage spell, a quarterstaff and an item, Blast Stone (banish to add 1d4 to a combat check at your location).
So, Player 1 can now use either the spell, or reveal the weapon to do the check.
Player 1 can also use one item, in this case the Blast Stone to enhance this attack, correct?
Let's say Player 2 is at the same location, and also has a Blast Stone (or other beneficial item), can he now help player with his item card too(in addition to Player 1's Blast Stone)?
I guess I am a little unsure about the encounter rules that say 1) each player can only play one of each type, 2) you and you alone can do the check, and 3) other players can help you(which I interpreted from the multiple blessings example on page 10 of the rulebook).
| skizzerz |
If the card or power tells you to use a skill (or in RotR terms, "roll a die"), only the player making the check can play that card or use that power, and that player may only play one such card or use one such power (regardless of card types).
Otherwise, do what the card says; if it says "your check" it only works on your own checks, if it says "a check" it works on any check. Since Blast Stone says "a check", player 2 can play it on player 1's check to add another 1d4.
| Longshot11 |
Otherwise, do what the card says; if it says "your check" it only works on your own checks, if it says "a check" it works on any check.
While Skizzers is right, keep in mind that earlier sets (RotR in particular) are not always consistent in their terminology. Make sure you check any FAQs for the AD# you're playing, or (if you have it installed) you may refer to Obsidian's app - it uses updated wordings.
As a general rule - if a power says "Do X to (automatically)(succeed at a check to) defeat/acquire a card Y" - you can only use it on yourself sine "no one else can make your check for you".
| Kiya Toren |
Does player 2 have to be at the same location to use items? If using blessings?
If a card (item, blessing, or otherwise) intends you to use it only on a character at your location, it will say so. The Blast Stone has that specification, but the Tome of Knowledge doesn't, even though they're both Items. There's not really a blanket rule that says cards of type X can only be played on characters at the same location or can't be used to help other players. You just have to read each card & remember that cards don't do what they don't say. Unless they've been errata'd, in which case they'll be listed in the FAQ for the Adventure you're playing, as Longshot mentioned.
| Frencois |
Does player 2 have to be at the same location to use items? If using blessings?
To further clarify:
- Pretty much all blessings can be played to help another character's check even if not at the same location.
- Unless a card refers to "your check", if it refers to a check, it can be someone else's check
- Unless a card referring to a character's check says "at your location", it's effect is not limited to characters at your location
and so on.
Golden rule is "don't assume things" (cards do what they say, cards don't do what they don't say...): if a limitation isn't written in the latest version of the rules (e. g.: each player can only play one of each type) or on a card (e. g. "a character at your location") or in the official FAQ, it doesn't exist.
| Hawkmoon269 |
Kiya Toren wrote:The Blast Stone has that specification, but the Tome of Knowledge doesn'tJust in case this may confuse you as a new player - the Tome of Knowledge is one of those items you CAN'T use on other people's checks.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the "add to a Knowledge check" power on that does help anyone.
| elcoderdude |
Longshot11 wrote:Actually, if I remember correctly, the "add to a Knowledge check" power on that does help anyone.Kiya Toren wrote:The Blast Stone has that specification, but the Tome of Knowledge doesn'tJust in case this may confuse you as a new player - the Tome of Knowledge is one of those items you CAN'T use on other people's checks.
I'm looking at my records, not a card, but I've got:
Reveal this card to add 1d6 to your Knowledge check.
Recharge this card to succeed at your Knowledge check.
| Kiya Toren |
Hawkmoon269 wrote:Longshot11 wrote:Actually, if I remember correctly, the "add to a Knowledge check" power on that does help anyone.Kiya Toren wrote:The Blast Stone has that specification, but the Tome of Knowledge doesn'tJust in case this may confuse you as a new player - the Tome of Knowledge is one of those items you CAN'T use on other people's checks.I'm looking at my records, not a card, but I've got:
Tome of Knowledge wrote:Reveal this card to add 1d6 to your Knowledge check.
Recharge this card to succeed at your Knowledge check.
I don't have my cards with me either, but I used the Obsidian app to find an item that a) allowed you to use it on another character's checks, b) didn't specify you had to be at another character's location, and c) was included on the RotR base set deck list. It's entirely possible that the RotR Tome of Knowledge differs from the PA version, but the PA version says
Reveal this card to add 1d6 to any Knowledge check.
Recharge this card to succeed at your Knowledge check
Vic Wertz
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As printed, the Runelords Tome of Knowledge says:
Reveal this card to add 1d6 to a Knowledge check.
Recharge this card to succeed at your Knowledge check.
After RotR, when so many people asked if "a check" meant "any check" (answer: it does), we started just saying "any check," so the wording on this card in Pathfinder Adventures is:
Reveal this card to add 1d6 to any Knowledge check.
Recharge this card to succeed at your Knowledge check.
The function hasn't changed—we just made it a little clearer.
| Thomas2017 |
I think I understand, but I just want to be sure.
Let's say Player 1 is playing a wizard, and encounters a monster.
He has a damage spell, a quarterstaff and an item, Blast Stone (banish to add 1d4 to a combat check at your location).
So, Player 1 can now use either the spell, or reveal the weapon to do the check.
Player 1 can also use one item, in this case the Blast Stone to enhance this attack, correct?
Let's say Player 2 is at the same location, and also has a Blast Stone (or other beneficial item), can he now help player with his item card too(in addition to Player 1's Blast Stone)?
I guess I am a little unsure about the encounter rules that say 1) each player can only play one of each type, 2) you and you alone can do the check, and 3) other players can help you(which I interpreted from the multiple blessings example on page 10 of the rulebook).
Thanks for al the answers, but I feel this thread is digressing from my original post. Maybe it was not clear enough, but I was too late to edit it.
My question was really:
Can someone help me with another same item type card, if I myself also use the exact same item type card to enhance my spell/weapon?
Or, should this type of card be given, in stead of used during another one's turn?
In this case it was the Bast Stone, and the only reason I said "at the same location" was because this is a specific requirement on this particular card.
Edit: "Item" type card is what is important here, not blessings and spells. In examples of people helping someone else during their encounter, it is always blessings or spells that are used. That is why I was unsure about ITEM type cards.
| Frencois |
A) Every character can play the same type of card to help a given check. E. g. everyone can play a blessing (player one plays a Blessing of Abadar, Player B plays a Blessing of Calistria...). And everyone can and an ally to help.
But each of the characters can only play a single physical card of each type.
B) Every character can even play the same card to help a given check. E. g. everyone (including the one attempting the check) can play a Blessing of the Gods. In addition everyone can play a Blast Stone.
But obviously (since each of the characters can only play a single card of each type, see A), any card can only be played once during each check.
C) Specific exceptions exist (e. g. an armor saying clearly "you can play another armor on this check"). Then obviously you can follow the exception. But still you cannot play twice the same physical card on a single check.
Note that if you have multiple physical copies of the same card (like many Blessings of Wadjet) and you are by exception (specific location, scenario or character for example) allowed to play multiple blessings in a single check, then you can play ONCE everyone of your Blessings of Wadjet. But still you couldn't reveal twice (or reveal and then discard) the same physical card during the different steps of a single check.
IMHO
| skizzerz |
I guess my answer above was not clear enough. The type of card does not matter when determining whether or not it can be played on someone else's check. Each card has text on it, that text tells you what that card does. Do not read between the lines to assume that the card does things that it doesn't say, or that it has restrictions that it doesn't say.
Every character can play one card of each type per check. You don't care what others played or didn't play when determining which types of cards you can play.