'True form' on succubus


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Would the spell 'true form' work on a Succubus?


now i wonder what the true form of the succubus would be.

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All true form does is remove polymorph effects. So if the Succubus is shapeshifted or under some other polymorph effect then yes, it would affect them.

The true form of a succubus... is a succubus.


Sorry, yeah, I did mean if they're using their 'Change Shape' ability

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Yeah, it'd work ^w^


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LucyG92 wrote:
Would the spell 'true form' work on a Succubus?

Yes. The True Form spell works, also Reveal True Shape spell works too, and a Antimagic Field. The True Seeing spell works too.

But if the succubus is using a mundane disguise then that strategy does not work.

Some smart succubus avoid using their Change Shape (alter self) because this supernatural ability can be detected sometimes by the Arcane Sight Spell and the Detect Magic Spell.

Succubi have a very high charisma, so they can disguise themselves without using their Change Shape ability.

You can easily fool the Detect Demon spell if a succubus uses a Ring of Mind Shielding or if she is under the effects of Mind Blank spell, and she uses a mundane disguise, it will be very difficult to detect. She could easily go through an anti-magical field and no one would notice. I also know how to deal with problematic spells like Protection from Evil and many others that can be annoying for an inexperienced succubus.

A succubus can avoid being easily detected, if instead of using her charm spell-like ability, or her suggestion spell-like ability, she uses her Bluff and Diplomacy skills to convince and manipulate others, it is less risky in that way since others can not detect your manipulation using spells like Detect Evil, Detec Magic or Detect Charm.

For her supernatural abilities of Profane Gif, she could use scrolls of the Misdirection spell or Magic Aura spell to hinder her detection.

I have a lot of experience playing as Succubus (Monster as PC) in both Dnd 3.5 and Pathfinder. I already know all the tricks that other players often use to detect a succubus, and I know very well how to frustrate them. That also includes all the strategies that other players usually apply against Doppelgangers and other shapeshifters.

Unfortunately, most GMs are not familiar with how to play properly as a succubus, which usually ends in the death of the succubus.

Many GMs and players do not know how to react and use their social skills properly against Paladins, Clerics, Spellcasters, Rogues, Assassins, Inquisitors or Demon Hunters when they are controlling a succubus as an NPC or as a PC, especially if they are in a difficult and complicated situation where the succubus is being confronted and is in danger.

I do not know if it might be necessary to make a guide on how to correctly use a succubus and avoid dying due to carelessness and ignorance. I have observed many times how this monster should be extremely difficult to kill because of all its abilities, ends up being killed very easily and effortlessly, due to ignorance of how to play with it properly.


Succubus Erislillith, that is a very useful post. All the succubi I've ever ran have ended poorly.


Brolof wrote:
Succubus Erislillith, that is a very useful post. All the succubi I've ever ran have ended poorly.

Thanks. I must update the information.

True Form spell works
Reveal True Shape spell works
Antimagic Field works against Change Shape and other succubus powers.
True Seeing works against Change Shape, but don't work against a mundane disguise.

Arcane Sight Spell and the Detect Magic Spell DON'T WORK against Change Shape, because is a supernatural ability

I forgot that my GM was very inexperienced and he did not know well the differences between a spell-like ability and a supernatural ability. Not to mention that the other players in my team were also very ignorant and wanted to apply Spellcraft to everything, including supernatural abilities and extraordinary abilities. The GM applied a house rule at that time, that my Change Shape could be detected with detect magic for his convenience.

But normally Change Shape (Su) can not be detected by Detect Magic spell, or by Arcane Sight spell.

Arcane Sight

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This spell makes your eyes glow blue and allows you to see magical auras within 120 feet of you. The effect is similar to that of a detect magic spell, but arcane sight does not require concentration and discerns aura location and power more quickly.

You know the location and power of all magical auras within your sight. An aura’s power depends on a spell’s functioning level or an item’s caster level, as noted in the description of the detect magic spell (see tables above.) If the items or creatures bearing the auras are in line of sight, you can make Spellcraft skill checks to determine the school of magic involved in each. (Make one check per aura; DC 15 + spell level, or 15 + half caster level for a nonspell effect.)

If you concentrate on a specific creature within 120 feet of you as a standard action, you can determine whether it has any spellcasting or spell-like abilities, whether these are arcane or divine (spell-like abilities register as arcane), and the strength of the most powerful spell or spell-like ability the creature currently has available for use.

As with detect magic, you can use this spell to identify the properties of magic items, but not artifacts.

Arcane sight can be made permanent with a permanency spell.

As you can see in the description, it mentions the spells and spell-like abilities but not the supernatural abilities.

From the Savage Species book, I recommend the feat Supernatural Transformation.

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Supernatural Transformation
( Savage Species, p. 39)

[General]

You convert a spell-like ability to a supernatural ability.
Prerequisite

Innate spell-like ability,
Benefit

One of your innate spell-like abilities becomes a supernatural ability. It is no longer subject to spell resistance, though it can still be suppressed in an antimagic field. Using this ability does not provoke an attack of opportunity. The number of uses, if limited, does not change. The effective caster level equals your total Hit Dice or the effective caster level of the original ability, whichever is higher.
Special

You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take it, it applies to a new spelllike ability.

It gives you the advantage that your Charms and Compulsions are not subject to Dispell Magic spell, nor to Spell Resistance, they do not need concentration to use them in a complicated situation. They can not be detected by Detect Magic spell or Detect Charm spell.

Because these last two spells focus on spells, not on the effects of supernatural abilities. Those spells need to use Spellcraft to identify the aura of the spell, but Spellcratf does not work if they are not spells.

The Suppress Charms and Compulsions spell, can temporarily suppress the effects of a Charm (Su), but they need to maintain concentration for 10 minutes.

You can also use the magic scrolls of Aura Alteration spell, and Imbue with Aura spell. It would be fun to use them against a Paladin or an Inquisitor. You can also use a magic scroll (Dispel Magic) against the Death Ward spell or the Dimmensional Anchor spell.

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