Do effective levels stack with real levels?


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I don't see any mention of this in the prd, and a quick search here doesn't bring up any obvious threads.

Does anyone else know of a rules source that touches on this?

Liberty's Edge

Effective levels of what?

Effective spellcasting level from PrCs? Yes, those stack with actual class levels to determine spellcasting.

Effective class levels from the Evangelist PrC aligned class? Yes, those stack with actual class levels for all abilities.

Some other effective levels? Depends on the source.


effective class levels in general (not spellcasting levels, the whole thing)


By default nothing stacks unless it says it does.
So if you have effective monk levels for IUS and actual monk levels then they likely don't stack since the only one I know of that says it stacks is the brute vigilante.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

In general most of this type of stuff won't stack unless it says.

Specifically things like "as if higher/lower" in general won't stack with other "as if" language.


ok, is there a rule or faq or blog post or dev statement about it? are you inferring it from some rules wording somewhere? I know ability mods don't stack, just looking for a similar wording here

i'm essentially just checking my assumptions

EDIT: just noticed your brute vigilante reference chess pwn, checking it


ok, the Brute Vigilante ability says

Quote:
Heavy Punches (Ex): The brute eschews civilized combat and prefers to wade into a fight with his fists swinging. While in his vigilante identity, the brute's unarmed strikes deal damage as if he were a monk of his size and vigilante level. If he has levels in other classes that provide monk advancement for unarmed strike damage, his vigilante level stacks with those levels whenever he is in his vigilante identity.

This isn't referring to class levels stacking, just the unarmed strike damage/ability. Is there something that specifically talks about class levels instead of spellcasting/ability levels?

nvm, it definitely is talking about stacking class levels

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Effective levels will be limited to abilities. So it wouldn't fit in with the system to have one ability or class set your effective level based on your character level and another ability do the same. Those type of things should not stack as they are based on character level.

Another example is if something said "your effective monk level is character level - 4" and you take monastic legacy to add half your monk levels again. You couldn't add any as all your levels are contributing to "character level - 4" so you'd need to either take Cl-4 or 1/2 CL


here is the rule for non stacking.

"unless an ability specifically says it stacks with similar abilities (such as an assassin's sneak attack), or adds in some way based on the character's total class levels (such as improved uncanny dodge), the abilities don't stack and you have to use them separately."

So the answer to a stacking question is 99% No, since most people don't ask questions when it specifically says it stacks.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Could you give us more context for the question? As in, what prompted the question in the first place? As with any rules-based system the devil is (usually) in the details.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

@Alayern, He is currently running the sane question in another thread on ascetic style and monastic legacy.


Chess Pwn wrote:

here is the rule for non stacking.

"unless an ability specifically says it stacks with similar abilities (such as an assassin's sneak attack), or adds in some way based on the character's total class levels (such as improved uncanny dodge), the abilities don't stack and you have to use them separately."

So the answer to a stacking question is 99% No, since most people don't ask questions when it specifically says it stacks.

cool, that's perfect, can't believe i forgot that existed

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