Devoted Muse / Bard and Swashbuckler Deeds and AC bonus


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Ok so I got a question regarding the Devoted Muse's deeds ability. It says the following:
"This ability functions exactly as the swashbuckler ability of the same name with two exceptions.

First, the devoted muse qualifies for and benefits from deeds as if she were a swashbuckler 3 levels lower than her class level (minimum 1). Second, the devoted muse doesn’t gain the opportune parry and riposte deed until 4th level.

For the purpose of this ability, a devoted muse’s class levels otherwise stack with levels in any other class that grants the deeds ability."

So say if a level 10 Bard, dipped into the Devoted Muse, would they have the deeds of a level 1 swashbuckler, or per the above wording, the deeds of a level 7 swashbuckler? (sans parry and riposte until 4th level Muse)

Furthermore, the artful defense ability:

When wearing light or no armor and not using a shield, a devoted muse adds 1 point of her Charisma bonus (if any) per class level as a dodge bonus to her Armor Class. If she is caught flat-footed or otherwise denied her Dexterity bonus, she also loses this bonus.

So as a level 10 bard/level 1 muse, would they get to add all their Charisma bonus (say +4 CHA bonus) or just one point of CHA to AC for level 1 of Devoted Muse?


muse 1 bard 10 means swash 1 for deeds. Why would you think it was lv7? You're only a lv1 muse so your class level is only 1.

NO, a muse 1 is only a muse class level 1 so only 1 charisma.

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If bard grant deeds, levels stack. Otherwise no.


Class level means just the level of that specific class. Devoted Muse counts as a first level Swashbuckler until they reach level 5, at which point they count as level 2, and increase normally from there. They have some unique deeds and abilities prior to then to make use of their panache pool.

Artful Defense is the latter. One level of Devoted Muse lets you apply only one point of Cha.


Ok thanks for the fast replies

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