Trained grace dragoon fighter value?

[Richter Harding]

Am I correct in assuming that if I have a level 9 dragoon fighter with an elven branched spear finessed, that with gloves of dueling and trained grace through the advanced weapon training feat that I would get +16 to damage?

Dragoon weapon training:

Spear Training (Ex)

At 5th level, a dragoon must select weapon training with the spear group. The dragoon’s weapon training bonus with spears improves by +1 on attack rolls and +2 on damage rolls for every four levels beyond 5th (to a maximum of +4 on attack rolls and +8 on damage rolls at 17th level).

The dragoon does not gain weapon training in any other groups as he increases in level.

Trained Grace:

Trained Grace (Ex) When the fighter uses Weapon Finesse to make a melee attack with a weapon, using his Dexterity modifier on attack rolls and his Strength modifier on damage rolls, he doubles his weapon training bonus on damage rolls. The fighter must have Weapon Finesse in order to choose this option.

advanced weapon training feat:

You are specially trained to use your weapon skills in new ways.

Prerequisite(s): Fighter level 5th, weapon training class feature.

Benefit(s): Select one advanced weapon training option, applying it to one fighter weapon group you have already selected with the weapon training class feature.

Special: This feat can be taken more than once, but at most once per 5 fighter levels.

[CBDunkerson]

It works out if you are assuming an 18 or 19 Strength;

(+4 DWT + 2 gloves of dueling) * 2 trained grace = +12 weapon training + 4 strength bonus = +16

[Claxon]

yeah, the problem is whether the gloves of dueling increase the effective bonus by 2 or effectively increase your weapon training by 2 levels. And you were overly hopeful, because it increases the bonuses by 2.

I agree with CBDunkerson that 9th level with gloves of training gives you +4 to attack and +6 to damage, not a +8. Because the gloves states they increase the bonus by 2.

Still, even without that it is a very effective means of getting a big damage bonus.

[Richter Harding]

Indeed, I was hoping I found some hidden thing that people barely use, but a +12 to damage is still pretty darn significant. and it just means i have to grab a +4 belt of str/dex instead of a +6 dex belt.

[Claxon]

Eh...the bonus to damage from a higher strength score doesn't have a great return when considering just adding a +4 strength, it's only 3 points of damage (because of two-handing). Increasing your dex by an extra two makes your to-hit one higher, and 1 point higher to hit is worth about 2 points higher of damage. But when you factor in things like weapon spec and greater weapon spec, that 1 extra point of damage probably isn't worth as much as making sure your iterative attacks have a better chance to hit.

All in all though, it shouldn't make a huge difference either way.