| NobyShroom |
I was wondering the exact scaling of a warlocks mystic bolt attack. The text is as follows.
"A mystic bolt deals 1d6 points of damage plus 1 for every 4 vigilante levels the warlock has."
Does that mean at level 4 he deals 2d6+2 damage with a bolt? Thus scaling like magic missile? Or does it just do 1d6+2 and scale like a cure light wounds spell?
| Alexander Augunas Contributor |
I was wondering the exact scaling of a warlocks mystic bolt attack. The text is as follows.
"A mystic bolt deals 1d6 points of damage plus 1 for every 4 vigilante levels the warlock has."
Does that mean at level 4 he deals 2d6+2 damage with a bolt? Thus scaling like magic missile? Or does it just do 1d6+2 and scale like a cure light wounds spell?
1d6 +1/4 levels. So at Level 4 it would be 1d6+1.
If it was adding dice, it would be written as follows: "plus 1d6 additional points of damage for every 4 vigilante levels the warlock has."
"1" always refers to a numeric "1," not a variable "1" (as in 1d6, which is a variable die amount).
| Tiny Coffee Golem |
I was wondering the exact scaling of a warlocks mystic bolt attack. The text is as follows.
"A mystic bolt deals 1d6 points of damage plus 1 for every 4 vigilante levels the warlock has."
Does that mean at level 4 he deals 2d6+2 damage with a bolt? Thus scaling like magic missile? Or does it just do 1d6+2 and scale like a cure light wounds spell?
The latter.
| Lady-J |
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Lady-J wrote:it still sucks as the class is shut down by a creature with resistance 5 or 10Except you automatically get more damage types as you level, and can add holy to deal with demons. Resistance does suck, but there are ways around it, including your spells.
yes you get up to 1d6+5 at level 20 hardly makes it help as warlocks are suposta be the all day every day blasting with ranged touch attacks class which is teribly emulated by this archetype
| Mark Seifter Designer |
If you want all day blasting at respectable power kineticists are thataways.
Warlocks get 6th level arcane casting and there are ways to make the bolts do semi-decent damage anyway. They're pretty okay all told.
Yup, and I think in one of these threads someone showed a fairly straightforward way to shred a marilith with them (which has resist 10 to everything). Honestly, though, I think if the vigilante warlock has been called anything else except warlock, it would have been easier to see the class's strengths and weaknesses, but the name made people think of the 3.5 warlock, which was a very different style of character (not a 6-level caster, no vigilante talents, single untyped but low damage attack as its extremely central shtick, etc).
Lorewalker
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If you want, you can dip one level into rogue and grab the "accomplished sneak attacker" feat. Spend a turn to blind the opponent, now all your bolts have +2d6 damage from sneak attack.
Honestly, the warlock levels are better dipped if you go that route. Get 3rd or 5th, for one or all attacks as touch per round respectively and then stick with unchained rogue. This helps against outsiders especially, since you can use finesse training to pick up a mundane weapon for those things resistant to your energy damage.
thaX
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Right now, I have my 2nd level Warlock with the Lethal Grace Vigilante talent and don't get another until 6th level, when I will take Arcane Striker. The reason I didn't take the one is to better hit with my bolts at low level, plus they are getting the additional damage also. Seems a bit underwhelming, when the social identity can't cast spells or use the bolts.
| Lady-J |
Tarik Blackhands wrote:Yup, and I think in one of these threads someone showed a fairly straightforward way to shred a marilith with them (which has resist 10 to everything). Honestly, though, I think if the vigilante warlock has been called anything else except warlock, it would have been easier to see the class's strengths and weaknesses, but the name made people think of the 3.5 warlock, which was a very different style of character (not a 6-level caster, no vigilante talents, single untyped but low damage attack as its extremely central shtick, etc).If you want all day blasting at respectable power kineticists are thataways.
Warlocks get 6th level arcane casting and there are ways to make the bolts do semi-decent damage anyway. They're pretty okay all told.
but a the archetype doesnt do untyped damage it does either acid,fire,electric or cold damage that must be chosen by the warlock at level one(gaining a new type every few levels) as for the kenetisist its very confusing and more complecated than playing a wizard in my opinion and doesnt have any of the flavor of a warlock but so long as 3rd party is allowed master arminas made a good convertion of the warlock from 3.5 wish he worked for paizo so it could become official paizo content tho
| master_marshmallow |
Okay, so the thing you gotta know about maximizing damage on the warlock is that it comes from being able to reliably land multiple rays.
For this reason, it is actually viable to dip into the Gunslingers bag of tricks and take both Two-Weapon Fighting and Rapid Shot, in order to get 3 attacks off in a round.
This makes Arcane Striker a must have choice at 2nd level.
A human can have this build done at 5th level (which is when it matters). PBS, Precise Shot, TWF, and Rapid Shot are the 4 feats you need.
At 5th level, you shoot 3 rays against touch that each deal 1d6+3, or 3d6+9 total.
As you progress, remember that getting more bolts is what matters, and clustered shots should work to help with energy resistance, if I remember correctly how alchemists work with it.
| World's Okayest Fighter |
As you progress, remember that getting more bolts is what matters, and clustered shots should work to help with energy resistance, if I remember correctly how alchemists work with it.
Yeah, cluster works with DR instead of resistance, and alchemist get by it with doing tons of damage per bomb combined with powerful rider effects.
| LuniasM |
You could always decide to target normal AC and use Deadly Aim for more damage per shot, but you'll need an amazing attack bonus if you want to pull that off with Rapid Shot and/or TWF in addition. This archetype also performs well with friendly bards and every archer's best friend, the Battle Herald.
It would be really interesting to get VMC Paladin or Cavalier for Smite or Challenge, but the low uses/day hold it back. Perhaps you could go mostly Paladin or Cavalier and dip a few levels instead.