expanded summon monster and alignment


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Hi,

Expanded SM 1-9 lets you choose 2 creatures for each level that get added to your list of summons and are summoned with the casters alignment. Now would that change the subtypes as well? Or make strange things like lawful good incubi with the evil+chaotic subtypes?

What in general happens when a outsider with an alignment subtype changes his alignment through redemption or corruption? Subtype change or not?


Alignament change refers only to creatures marked with an asterisk. This is a layout error with d20psfrd. If you look at the original sourcebook (Monster Summoners Handbook), or Nethys, you can see it clearly. So no Lawful Good succubuses. Which is a shame.

I think I saw a discussion where it was concluded that a demon would still keep its Evil and Chaotic subtypes if it changes alignament. Though I don't remember even if it was 3.5 or Pathfinder discussion so...


WagnerSika wrote:
I think I saw a discussion where it was concluded that a demon would still keep its Evil and Chaotic subtypes if it changes alignament. Though I don't remember even if it was 3.5 or Pathfinder discussion so...

It could of been either. The rules are the same.

Quote:
Evil Subtype: This subtype is usually applied to outsiders native to the evil-aligned outer planes. Evil outsiders are also called fiends. Most creatures that have this subtype also have evil alignments; however, if their alignments change, they still retain the subtype. Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature has an evil alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. A creature with the evil subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields are evil-aligned (see Damage Reduction).

So a Lawful Good succubus (evil and chaos subtypes) would detect as and be affected as a lawful, chaotic, good, and evil creature all at once.


Nice find Jeraa!
Poor succubus, her build is not looking very optimal :D

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