Butterfly Swords and Magus Blackblade


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Im in a debate with a friend over the rules on the black blade archetype, and how it would work with odd weapons. We've run into a road block on Butterfly Sword. in the description it states its a pair of swords that split, but the price is listed for one weapon. If you had selected butterfly sword as your weapon of choice for your black blade, do you get one, or two blade blades?


You get one Black Blade. Why would that ever be in question?


It was a question mainly based on how its worded. Its a twin of a second sword, two swords connected together to appear as one. We realize it is "appears as one sword" but were curious with its pricing, and the fact its literally part of a second sword.

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I'd say you can't have a butterfly sword black blade, as it is literally two swords that look like one. Or, if you do, treat only one of the two as the actual black blade.


Rylden wrote:

Im in a debate with a friend over the rules on the black blade archetype, and how it would work with odd weapons. We've run into a road block on Butterfly Sword. in the description it states its a pair of swords that split, but the price is listed for one weapon. If you had selected butterfly sword as your weapon of choice for your black blade, do you get one, or two blade blades?

"A black blade is always a one-handed slashing weapon, a rapier, or a sword cane."

Butterfly sword is a light weapon so it couldn't be used unless it was oversized. If I were GMing and you had the oversized Butterfly Sword(s), I'd let you use them as 2 swords with both being treated as a black blade since you wouldn't have a free hand to cast.

I would also hold you to " A black blade normally refuses to use any of its abilities when wielded by anyone other than its magus, and acts as a masterwork weapon of its type."


Ah, it never came up that it was a light weapon, there would be the flaw in the question, thanks for pointing that out, kind of makes it moot.

As an aside, your compromise on allowing both to be black blades due to the fact that remove your ability to cast is an interesting one, thank you.

This wasn't an idea to be able to hand off a copy of a my sword to an ally, but an idea for character advancement, in the idea rather then a single black blade the character would be dealing with "twins".


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You can have twin Black Blades, but would have to multiclass into arcanist.

For those that really, really want Mournblade in one hand and Stormbringer in the other.


Rylden wrote:

Ah, it never came up that it was a light weapon, there would be the flaw in the question, thanks for pointing that out, kind of makes it moot.

As an aside, your compromise on allowing both to be black blades due to the fact that remove your ability to cast is an interesting one, thank you.

This wasn't an idea to be able to hand off a copy of a my sword to an ally, but an idea for character advancement, in the idea rather then a single black blade the character would be dealing with "twins".

If it's more RP than mechanical I think most GM's would work with you to make it happen as long as it doesn't derail the story. You could do it with any sword, with the hilt and the blade, scabbard and blade or two sides of the same blade having separate personalities.


I would require a Lich archenemy trying to steal them for ultimate power...extra xp if you have some levels of ranger with a tiger as a animal companion and a Falcon as a familiar...


Snowlilly wrote:

You can have twin Black Blades, but would have to multiclass into arcanist.

For those that really, really want Mournblade in one hand and Stormbringer in the other.

It should be noted that in the novels, this only occurred once and the twin blades were never used in combat by one wielder.


The rules say you get one blade, so one of your butterfly swords is a black blade, and the other bars you from spellcasting since you have no free hands.

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