MMC,
Yeah well I think Loki as a great villain, no question, but I always felt Thor needed MORE than just Loki at times. So hopefully Hela will do the trick.
Zemo's problem was the fact Age of Ultron kind of killed of HYDRA. I mean if he had reformed HYDRA to destroy the Avengers...that might have been better. Maybe.
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MMC,
Yeah well I think Loki as a great villain, no question, but I always felt Thor needed MORE than just Loki at times. So hopefully Hela will do the trick.
Zemo's problem was the fact Age of Ultron kind of killed of HYDRA. I mean if he had reformed HYDRA to destroy the Avengers...that might have been better. Maybe.
He can still do so.
Hama,
Good point.
jeff,
The second movie had a distinct LACK of a villain.
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Saw it today, and very much enjoyed it. My few nitpicks were super tiny. For example:
In my experience, Betty Brant is not a kid at Peter's school, she's JJJ's secretary.
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Ah, see, classic Marvel misdirection here. She's obviously set up to become a character from the comics, later on, but
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I still think she's Jessica Jones' Cousin...
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The iron spider/ ironman light problem with the suit was a problem, but one that got resolved in movie. I think going forward (and they've hinted at this) its going to be incompatable with his natural spidersense*, and that his spidersense is more valuable than any tech.
Every superhero takes on badguys in the middle of downtown. A ferry with a few hundre people on it seems like a bad place for a fight, but compared with a skyscraper its the least bad place if you want to throw down with someone that slices through buildings.
If tony didn't like that, all he had to do was say " Nice job kid, I've got special agents tailing him, they're going to drop sleep gas in his house when he's out of the suit. For your next assignment theres some drug dealers at.... hey jarvis where's the highest rate of drug sales on the other side of town from Harvey Birdman?"
I liked that being spiderman still messes up peter's life a lot, even if tony stark is taking away a lot of the problems that make being a superhero problematic. I dont know if tony needs to have a fight with spiderman or vice versa "I don't want your help" or if they can just tone down or shrug off the "peter parker is broke" aspect of the movie.
* as natural as any product of tampering in gods domain with genetic engineering and radioactivity can be
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A good movie all around for the most part. Michael Keaton Vulture came off as both frightening and human. Willing to do what needed to be done for him and his family. While also having a sense of honor. A far cry from comic versions which imo really don't have much motivation beyond getting rich and getting revenge on the superhero.
A few things I did not like
Peter Parker was shown to be well dumb in one scene. Hammering away at a alien artifact. If it's one thing he would not do is wail away with a hammer on anything scientific espcially a a alien artifact.
and
Peter Parker was shown to be a little too irresponsible imo. Almost bordering on entitlement. I get the character wants to be a hero and maybe the director wanted to showcase how young the character is. Everytime someone told him not to do something he did the exact opposite. Almost like he never expected something bad to happen.
Mary Jane or Michelle Jane or whatever the character name to be honest I found annoying to say the least.
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For those who have seen it... does the movie setup (or leave the door open) for Donald Glover's character to possibly return in the sequel?
There's nothing in the movie to suggest a reason for him to return. He was a very minor character, who was mostly in the wrong place at the wrong time. Very well played, though.
"Man, I got ice cream in here..." LOL!
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He was too good not to use again. I'll put a slice of pizza on him being back.
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Actually I can see Donald Glover coming back as it seems some missed a hidden Easter Egg imo.
Remember Peter suit called up Donald Glover character criminal file and the character nickname was "Prowler" sound familiar along the lines of this character https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prowler_(comics)
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As a fan of Donald Glover, I'd love to see him back.
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Honestly I loved that there was a homecoming dance in the movie called Homecoming.
My feelings were mixed on that scene. Great that they had it.
Terrible in that that
Peter Parker took advantage of the homecoming dance all of about 3 minutes or less. If the character is not even going to dance with the love interest why even have that scene in the first place.
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The thing from another world
To show what you give up to do the right thing.
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Don't forget that Donald Glover's character...
has a "nephew that lives in the neighborhood"
e.g. Miles Morales
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The first time Donald Glover shows up, the Shockers are trying to sell him all these high tech weapons--black hole grenades yada yada--but he's not interested in ray guns. Then they mention some climbing gadget, and Donald Glover's character instantly perks up.
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The thing from another world
To show what you give up to do the right thing.
Yes and no and I don't disagree except
I would have liked to see the Peter Parker at least dance even if the dance was cut short. Not " I'm so sorry...gotta go" That's one very forgiving love interest imo.
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After having lunch with some friends who watched the movie with me. We all agreed that we hated MJ character. I'm not sure what the director was and is trying to do with the character. Maybe making her a social activist yet in the most annoying way possible.
The character comes across as having no social skills whatsoever imo. The type to show up at a restaurant get at a table and then accuse the owners of cultural cultural appropriation. If the owners were white and they served Japanese food. Show up at a BBQ I can see her acting like
"hey MJ enjoying yourself"
"why would I enjoy the BBQ it's perpetuating the murder and slaughter of innocent animals"
No social filter whatsoever. I'm not sure if Feige was trying to put more politics than usual into a Marvel movie but he did it in such a clumsy, obvious, heavy handed, non-organic way.
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Honestly, I just saw her actions as trolling, or a defense mechanism. Not the honest social activism parts, but the teasing and...well, trolling she does to Peter & other folks. She is one of the character I'm more interested to learn more about- ie why does she act like that, is there a reason for her prickly nature and odd habits?
If there is nothing there (which I seriously doubt, since I'm fairly sure she is crushing on Peter and oh my god I'm grown ass man talking about teenage chrushes in movies) then I will have to agree with you, Thing.
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After having lunch with some friends who watched the movie with me. We all agreed that we hated MJ character. I'm not sure what the director was and is trying to do with the character. Maybe making her a social activist yet in the most annoying way possible.
The character comes across as having no social skills whatsoever imo. The type to show up at a restaurant get at a table and then accuse the owners of cultural cultural appropriation. If the owners were white and they served Japanese food. Show up at a BBQ I can see her acting like
"hey MJ enjoying yourself"
"why would I enjoy the BBQ it's perpetuating the murder and slaughter of innocent animals"
No social filter whatsoever. I'm not sure if Feige was trying to put more politics than usual into a Marvel movie but he did it in such a clumsy, obvious, heavy handed, non-organic way.
err, she's just 15 and has an interest in politics and social activism. we've all been there. I doubt any of us was any better. she's a teenager for Cthulhu's sake, they are supposed to have no social skills and be a little immature.
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To be fair I don't hate the character and I hope your right Rosgakori
Just that the way she acts even if it's a defense mechanism is kind of off putting. I remember the comic version being more outgoing and friendly. She would do the opposite of the movie version to hide how she was feeling. God I hope it's not trolling if it is what a waste of a character. If a director wants to put politics and social commentary in a movie go for it. Just don't ruin characters to do so imo. I guess the character is the one who goes around pushing peoples buttons to get a reaction. The script is written in such a way as to have the character do it poorly.
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I remember the comic version being more outgoing and friendly.
You're thinking about Mary-Jane Watson, which Michelle isn't. She's Michelle Jones or Michelle Jameson or Michelle J. Gonzales or whatever surprise Feige has in store for us. She's a different character.
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err, she's just 15 and has an interest in politics and social activism. we've all been there. I doubt any of us was any better. she's a teenager for Cthulhu's sake, they are supposed to have no social skills and be a little immature.
I guess because her lack of social skills to me seemed forced. With no one reacting or saying anything negative even teachers. I was that age too once upon a time and even after I did some truly stupid and dumb things in my time I knew when to draw the line. Unlike Hollywood where that behavior has no repercussions if I tried doing the same I would be both grounded and told to apologize to teacher for my rude behavior. On top of getting detention.
You're thinking about Mary-Jane Watson, which Michelle isn't. She's Michelle Jones or Michelle Jameson or Michelle J. Gonzales or whatever surprise Feige has in store for us. She's a different character.
I though they would be using MJ from the comics. Instead Feige is doing his own take on her. I'm willing to keep a open mind but so far not liking what I see. I don't like a movie, part of it or a character I have to be honest on how I feel. Notice I'm not saying don't go see the movie just that it has some elements I dislike.
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so when exactly did you think she crossed a line, because nothing she did was that out of the line. I know I behaved way worse around that age
I though they would be using MJ from the comics. Instead Feige is doing his own take on her. I'm willing to keep a open mind but so far not liking what I see. I don't like a movie, part of it or a character I have to be honest on how I feel. Notice I'm not saying don't go see the movie just that it has some elements I dislike.
and I'm totally fine with that. I'm not here to defend Michelle as a character or to say the movie is without fault. I have a huge problem with one tiny aspect of the movie myself (the botched timeline aspect, which is a rookie mistake they should't have made at this point of the game), but Michelle is not 'Feige's take on MJ', that's just not true and he said it himself in a couple of interviews over the last few days. Michelle just happens to have the same initials, which, as I wrote thread upwards might point to a completely different comic connection. her behaviour and her relationship with peter reminds me of Michelle Gonzales, the J part of the name might make her an amalgamtion of her and a gender bended version of J. Jonah's son (he was an astronaut, right? someone who would go to a school like that) or maybe Angelica 'Firestar' Jones
Spidey's canon is bigger than just Gwen and MJ. And just because the initials were used, doesn't mean that she's necessarily any version of Mary-Jane Watson. Especially with Feige on the record, stating that it's just the initials they have used and that she's not a version of Mary-Jane
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Sorry Hythlodeus I don't like the character, I also acknowledge that I maybe wrong for doing so and realize their is room for improvement. I rather not derail the OP thread any further.
One thing the movie did was make me like and respect the Vulture character so much more. The next superhero rpg session I join as a player I'm making a Vulture Clone. I wish many of the villains would be written like the movie versions sometimes imo. THey have (pardon the pun) more character and personality.
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Just saw the movie.
It was FANTASTIC!!!
Holland is perfect, the tone was perfect, Vulture / Keaton was an excellent, layered villain.
It was easily the best Spider-Man movie hands down and in my top 10 super hero movies ever.
And, the Michelle character was great. I loved her snarky quips covering up some lonely insecurities. I think by the next movie she will come out of that shell more as she and Peter develop a relationship.
Seriously - excellent, excellent movie all around!!!
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Also loved the movie. And while it was good that Tony wasn't a major part of it, was impressed that they used him and Happy to advance a few details on what's going on with the Avengers post Civil War.
My one nitpick was
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Also loved the movie. And while it was good that Tony wasn't a major part of it, was impressed that they used him and Happy to advance a few details on what's going on with the Avengers post Civil War.
My one nitpick was ** spoiler omitted **
Regarding the nitpick - I suspect we'll see more of that in the sequel ...
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Just saw the movie.
It was FANTASTIC!!!
Holland is perfect, the tone was perfect, Vulture / Keaton was an excellent, layered villain.
It was easily the best Spider-Man movie hands down and in my top 10 super hero movies ever.
And, the Michelle character was great. I loved her snarky quips covering up some lonely insecurities. I think by the next movie she will come out of that shell more as she and Peter develop a relationship.
Seriously - excellent, excellent movie all around!!!
I also enjoyed Michelle, for the same reasons, and I thought she had some genuinely funny bits (the one in detention especially).
I also think she sees more than she lets on. I wouldn't be surprised if she puts it together that Pete is Spider-Man in the next movie.
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having a darth vadered a fellow student while a teacher continued grading without looking up, I find the apathy of the teaching staff quite believable (and if you look its a running gag. All of the teachers are apathetic)
(the guy set me on fire one week and poured boiling water on my face the next)
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Another thing I liked is that
and I think some here are right about
having a darth vadered a fellow student while a teacher continued grading without looking up, I find the apathy of the teaching staff quite believable (and if you look its a running gag. All of the teachers are apathetic)
Good for you for doing so. Too often people are too afraid to stand up and defend themselves and people think that's it's OK to keep trying to push a person buttons. I also think they can't say anything because the school usually sides with the student. Even if said student tries to set a person a fire. With the teacher even being reprimanded.
(the guy set me on fire one week and poured boiling water on my face the next)
The hell was wrong with that person? Seriously that's a budding productive sociopathic, psycho in the works. Did that other guy not have parents growing up. WTH was he possibly dropped and smashed repeatedly into the wall as a child.
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I also think she sees more than she lets on. I wouldn't be surprised if she puts it together that Pete is Spider-Man in the next movie.
Which would be ridiculous. I loved this film too, though not so much Karen. Disliked that whole aspect of the suit. However, one of my big problems with virtually all of these movies is how easily people discover the hidden identities. Why even bother with giving them hidden identities if everyone in the film is going to end up knowing who they are anyway?
And Michelle wasn't my favorite character in the film either. She was more annoying than anything. Not saying that she's meant to be the real MJ, but the fact that those initials were chosen also annoyed me. Didn't think it was necessary to use those initials.
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However, one of my big problems with virtually all of these movies is how easily people discover the hidden identities. Why even bother with giving them hidden identities if everyone in the film is going to end up knowing who they are anyway?
To me if anything the movies are more realistic than the comics. It's become a comic trope and a terrible one imo of no one noticing a secret identity. it's one thing if a comic character stays low key and under the radar. It's another when the character does the opposite. And 99% of the time they do the opposite.
Clueless comic character:
"you know Peter Parker always seems to disappear when Spider-man shows up. I remember that time he also had a limp and Spider-man also was injured in the leg during a fight. Naah. no way, Peter Parker can't be Spider-man (goes back to eating his sandwich and being oblivious)
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The hell was wrong with that person? Seriously that's a budding productive sociopathic, psycho in the works. Did that other guy not have parents growing up. WTH was he possibly dropped and smashed repeatedly into the wall as a child.
Honor student actually. he was taking chemistry a year early... (this might say something about my school...)
but he liked to screw around in the lab. he tried to blow out a bunsen burner i was reaching for , and when we were doing an experiment with watching metal cool off , he decided that the longer it spent in the air the more it messed up the numbers, so he'd just whip it from a vat of boiling water to the other.... but he unfortunately let the nylon string lean up against the glass, fusing them. So when he tried it, it threw the boiling water across the table.
That sort of thing happens to me a lot.
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However, one of my big problems with virtually all of these movies is how easily people discover the hidden identities. Why even bother with giving them hidden identities if everyone in the film is going to end up knowing who they are anyway?
To me if anything the movies are more realistic than the comics. It's become a comic trope and a terrible one imo of no one noticing a secret identity. it's one thing if a comic character stays low key and under the radar. It's another when the character does the opposite. And 99% of the time they do the opposite.
Clueless comic character:
"you know Peter Parker always seems to disappear when Spider-man shows up. I remember that time he also had a limp and Spider-man also was injured in the leg during a fight. Naah. no way, Peter Parker can't be Spider-man (goes back to eating his sandwich and being oblivious)
I don't entirely buy this logic either. First and foremost, you're taking for granted that such a situation happens all the time. Something akin to every other day, which I highly doubt is accurate. Secondly, you're looking at the situation from a skewed viewpoint to begin with. Not only are you completely removed from the frantic chaos of the life-threatening situation, but with the foreknowledge that said individual actually is said superhero. When stuff starts blowing up, and there's all kinds of people around going absolutely crazy from hysterics, it's not at all unbelievable that people get lost in shuffle. Sure, you might wonder what happened to so-and-so, and be worried about them, but will your mind immediately go to, "Oh my gosh! I bet they're Spider-man!" I highly doubt it.
Now, granted, in the film there was a rather outlandish situation that took place in another city, in which Parker just suddenly disappears and nobody knows why before the day even begins. Such could still open up a lot of additional questions other than, "I bet he's Spider-man!" Rationally, I think people would tend to talk themselves out of thinking that rather than the other way around.
More than anything else, the real issue would be the voice, I believe. They've always used the fact that the voice sounds different through the mask, but I can't believe it would muffle it that badly. Still, like every story told in Hollywood or written on the page, there's got to be a bit of suspension of disbelief for it to make an ounce of sense. Allowing superheroes that want to be secret to stay secret is just more fun than the alternative. Otherwise, make them all Tony Stark, eliminate secret identities period, and get on with it. To me, that's just boring.
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Why even bother with giving them hidden identities
isn't that what they did in the MCU anyway? Not bothering with hidden identities? eliminating the use of that outdated concept?
There was no hero in the MCU until now who had one or needed one. Stark? Held a press conference to announce who he is. Banner? After becoming an Avenger it was common knowledge who he is (and before that, SHIELD knew anyway). Cap? His secret identity can be found in history books and was probably taught children for decades before he came back. Thor? well, he has none. he IS the Odinson. Tasha and Clint? SHIELD agents. Scott Lang? Well, I guess as soon as Falcon found out who he was and certainly after Civil War, his identity becam known. The Guardians? No one on earth no they exist anyway (well, except for Stan Lee's Uatu of course) and on Xandar their identities are known. Doctor Strange? Does not even have a superhero name, he's a Doctor called Strange.T'Challa? Again, after CW, I doubt his dual identity is a secret any longer. War Machine? Falcon? Scarlet Witch? No secrets - they're Avengers. Vision? No other identity.
So, they eliminated that concept pretty much, except for Spidey. Probably because he's the one hero where that whole trope makes a little bit of sense or because there was mostly negative reaction in the '00s when they tried to get rid of his hidden identity in the comic books.
Compared tho comic book lore, an awful lot of people still know now who he is, but compared to the other MCU heroes? His identity is as secret as it can get, with only Stark and associates, his best friend, his aunt, one criminal he defeated and maybe Michelle knowing that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Less than ten people. That's still pretty secret to me.
(edited because I subconsiously channeled my inner Flash Thopmson. His first name is Peter, of course, not whatever I wrote. No male genitals here any longer, move along)
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To me if anything the movies are more realistic than the comics. It's become a comic trope and a terrible one imo of no one noticing a secret identity. it's one thing if a comic character stays low key and under the radar. It's another when the character does the opposite. And 99% of the time they do the opposite.
Yeah, this seems to be a reaction to how so many years of comic-book-dom tended towards making all of the regular folk around Superman, Spider-Man, etc. look like idiots to help preserve kind of obvious secret identities. Or, alternately, made the heroes seem like antisocial misanthropes who had no friends or family that knew them enough to spot odd behavior indicative of a secret life beating people up at night. Either way, it dehumanized either the hero, or everybody else, in service to the sanctity of this 'secret identity' trope and ultimately detracted from the story, since either the hero or everybody around the hero seemed less of a person and more like furniture.
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the more I think about the timeline issue, the angrier I get. It was easily avoidable and it is known from reports and interviews that a fully thought out timeline exists on a wall somewhere at Marvel Studio.
We know that there are a couple of fixed dates referenced in the movies itself, like we know that IM1 took place in 2008 from a magazine cover in that film, we know the Battle of New York (aka The Avegers) took place in 2012 from the dates given in IM3 and we know that Civil War took place in 2016 from the 'It's been 8 years since Tony announced himself as Iron Man' quote by Vision in that movie.
Having Homecoming happen two months after CW and ALSO 8 years after The Avengers means, that the movie takes place in both 2016 and 2020 and Peter is both 15 and 19 years old at the same time.
SOMEBODY should have looked at the script, the timeline on that wall and said: "wait a minute, that doesn't add up. Is that a secret Time Stone reference? Has anything happend when Strange bargained with Dormammu? Wait, Doctor Strange hasn't happend yet, but, well it both has and hasn't depending on if that movie is set 2 months after CW or 8 years after Avengers... aaaah, wibbly wobbly timey wimey..."
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Not to mention the whole mask thing
You think they would actually make it harder to pull off the mask or have a spare one underneath just in case. Still beats Superman imo. Somehow glasses and a suit are a 1000% effective disguise.
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There's nothing wrong with peter parker having a secret identity. I mean who suspects a random kid of being able to benchpress buicks?
But Superman's gotten the pulitzer. Bruce wayne is on the covers of magazines. Someones going to recognize him.
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I don't entirely buy this logic either. First and foremost, you're taking for granted that such a situation happens all the time. Something akin to every other day, which I highly doubt is accurate. Secondly, you're looking at the situation from a skewed viewpoint to begin with. Not only are you completely removed from the frantic chaos of the life-threatening situation, but with the foreknowledge that said individual actually is said superhero. When stuff starts blowing up, and there's all kinds of people around going absolutely crazy from hysterics, it's not at all unbelievable that people get lost in shuffle. Sure, you might wonder what happened to so-and-so, and be worried about them, but will your mind immediately go to, "Oh my gosh! I bet they're Spider-man!" I highly doubt it.
Good point except unless the superhero friend(s)/family are complete and utter idiots eventually they will notice something is wrong. Sure the chaos of a fight between supervillain and superhero may disguise the superhero disappearance once, twice maybe three times. After a certain point it becomes noticeable. Even then it all depends on how often the hero gets involved. If he stays under the radar trying to keep his identity secret it works. If the character does what they do in movies and comics almost always get involved that secret identity stays secret only by the grace of writers in comics and the script in a movie.
It's not a skewed viewpoint it's a realistic one. Being a superhero in comics and movies is a dangerous job. With injuries how many times can one explain a injury away before it becomes again the writers making other characters stupid in comics and the script calls for the same. The character always disappears at the strangest of times and always when villain XYZ shows up. One can only rely on conicidence only so many times. Even then in movies and comics they don't even try and disguise the general look of their body or even their voice.
After all
the only reason people don't figure it out is because of the script.
It's almost as bad as the general public being fine with giant anti-mutant killing robots being controlled by the government let loose in neighbourhoods to catch mutants. When if they did exist people would be protesting their use by the government.
Now, granted, in the film there was a rather outlandish situation that took place in another city, in which Parker just suddenly disappears and nobody knows why before the day even begins. Such could still open up a lot of additional questions other than, "I bet he's Spider-man!" Rationally, I think people would tend to talk themselves out of thinking that rather than the other way around.
That only works if clueless friend/family member is in another place or city. If Peter Parker is with a friend or family member and whenever a villain shows up and he disappears eventually a person takes notice. He disappears once, twice, three times or more. Then suddenly comes out of "hiding" when the villain runs off and grts captured and as soon as Peter appears Spider-man is nowhere to be seen. As I said unless a person is a complete idiot it's noticeable after awhile. Espcially if Peter Parker is not injured and suddenly reappears with a limp and a bruise after the fight.
More than anything else, the real issue would be the voice, I believe. They've always used the fact that the voice sounds different through the mask, but I can't believe it would muffle it that badly. Still, like every story told in Hollywood or written on the page, there's got to be a bit of suspension of disbelief for it to make an ounce of sense. Allowing superheroes that want to be secret to stay secret is just more fun than the alternative. Otherwise, make them all Tony Stark, eliminate secret identities period, and get on with it. To me, that's just boring.
Secret identities can work for someone like Tony Stark who can be in one place and send his suit in another. The Flash with his super speed. Spider-man whose costume does nothing to hide his overall body type and voice gets a free pass on that because the people around him are portrayed as complete idiots to his secret identity. Like I said in my spoiler above not everyone is a complete idiot.
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Why even bother with giving them hidden identitiesisn't that what they did in the MCU anyway? Not bothering with hidden identities? eliminating the use of that outdated concept?
There was no hero in the MCU until now who had one or needed one. Stark? Held a press conference to announce who he is. Banner? After becoming an Avenger it was common knowledge who he is (and before that, SHIELD knew anyway). Cap? His secret identity can be found in history books and was probably taught children for decades before he came back. Thor? well, he has none. he IS the Odinson. Tasha and Clint? SHIELD agents. Scott Lang? Well, I guess as soon as Falcon found out who he was and certainly after Civil War, his identity becam known. The Guardians? No one on earth no they exist anyway (well, except for Stan Lee's Uatu of course) and on Xandar their identities are known. Doctor Strange? Does not even have a superhero name, he's a Doctor called Strange.T'Challa? Again, after CW, I doubt his dual identity is a secret any longer. War Machine? Falcon? Scarlet Witch? No secrets - they're Avengers. Vision? No other identity.
So, they eliminated that concept pretty much, except for Spidey. Probably because he's the one hero where that whole trope makes a little bit of sense or because there was mostly negative reaction in the '00s when they tried to get rid of his hidden identity in the comic books.
Compared tho comic book lore, an awful lot of people still know now who he is, but compared to the other MCU heroes? His identity is as secret as it can get, with only Stark and associates, his best friend, his aunt, one criminal he defeated and maybe Michelle knowing that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Less than ten people. That's still pretty secret to me.
(edited because I subconsiously channeled my inner Flash Thopmson. His first name is Peter, of course, not whatever I wrote. No male genitals here any longer, move along)
I think the only one at this point besides Spiderman with a secret identity (to the general public) is Ant Man. And that's only because Scott Lang is pretty much a nobody anyway. Again, only half a dozen people know who he is.
There's even that great scene at the end of CW when even after the fight at the airport, he is ripping on Stark and he just replies with a kind of "who are you again?"
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I like the idea of secret identities, but after X number of seasons of shows like Smallville or Merlin, where entire seasons go by of trying to keep the secret from friends and loved ones ends up creating huge problems (and turning allies into foes), I'm not as fond of it in a non-comic-book setting, such as a TV show or movie.
It doesn't guarantee bad writing and 'drama' that means nothing to us viewers, because we already know the secret, but it sure does seem to lead in that direction...
