Does mind blank defeat the see invisibility of the spectral shroud? The shroud says you discern as though using see invis, but it reads like its a shortcut for the functionality rather than outright stating it works like the spell to me.
How do you run it? What other methods are there to see a mind blanked creature that is also invisible?
It works as though using see invisibility, so it gains all the benefits and limitations of see invisibility. Mind blank therefore trumps it.
As opposed to the robe of eyes, which doesn't reference the see invisibility spell so it does work?
Invisibility purge (divine 3rd) would usually work fine, as the area is so large. Create water or other matter creating spells can make him trackable. Blindsight or tremor sense will also defeat invisibility, mindblank or not.
Mindblank blocks specifically spells and devices. So spell-like abilities or (non-transparent) psionics would work. An outsider (say an astral deva) with access to that SLA would be the easiest way to acquire it as an SLA.
(And there is always scent.)
Purge is great, but invis is a level 1, where purge is a 3. Looking for something more long term. Tracking is good, but doesn't negate the concealment. Tremorsense and scent just let you pinpoint, you still can't take an AoO against something with total concealment, and if they went invisible, I want to stop them from casting anything else. Blindsight would work, but the only way to get it I can find is the swordmaster's blindfold, which makes you blind except for 5' blingsight.
I thought SLAs would be blocked by mind blank since its a spell-like and mind blank blocks the spell. Supernatural, extraordinary, or maybe psionics (not familar with them) would work though.
It's kind of expensive, but Lantern of Revealing is a great item, even at 30,000 gp cost.
That's a great one. Only 30k. Can you have a lit lantern strapped to your pack and not held and it would still work? Or would you need to have something like a permanent dancing lantern.
Is it divination? If yes Mind Blank Trumps it.
Invisibility purge is evocation.
Is it divination? If yes Mind Blank Trumps it.
Invisibility purge is evocation.
This thin, bleached cloth covers the wearer's entire torso. Some also cover the wearer's face, but don't interfere with the wearer's vision. The morbid burial shroud grants the wearer some affinity with the spectral dead. The wearer can discern invisible or ethereal creatures as though using see invisibility. Once per day, the wearer can become incorporeal for 10 rounds and gain a fly speed equal to half his base speed with perfect maneuverability. The wearer can't attack while incorporeal, but can dismiss the effect as a move action.
To me, it sounds like it was a shortcut in description. You can see the invisible/ethereal because you have an affinity with spectral dead, not because you are divining where they are. It also has an aura of necromancy, not divination.
That said, it does use see invis in its components, so I understand why many would say mind blank stops it. It also uses hide from undead, which has nothing to do with its abilities, so I don't think the required spells to make it necessarily indicate how it functions.
"as though using see invisibility" See invisibility is divination therefore Mind Blank trumps that ability. I don't really see where there's room for interpretation, but if your DM disagrees that's a function of your game.
Now, if I remember my cosmology correctly, if you went ethereal you would be able to see another ethereal creature who was ethereal, but not also invisible, because that's a function of being in the same state and not divination magic. However, if that same creature was also invisible you wouldn't be able to see them because merely being ethereal doesn't facilitate that.
So robe of eyes is all good then?
If the spectral shround doesn't work, then why does the circlet of mindsight specifically say it cannot detect mind blank? It has a divination aura, so this makes sense. But if its redundant, then why call it out unless other magic items typically are not stopped by mind blank?
Thats whatever the author of that entry wrote. The text of mindblank says that it prevents all spells and devices, so all items using divinations are out.
About spells and spell-like abilities:
Those two are not the same. They have different rules on how to use them, and you need different feats to enhance them (even if they do the same thing like empower).
What was intended (way back in the 70ies) was that monsters have access to magical abilities they could use at will without ritual or components. Then it became obvious that writing up a set of those was practically a copy of part of the spell lists. So the solution was that the abilities would just reference the effect wanted and skip the redundant work. And we are still at that point. Nobody ever wanted to write up a monster-specific power list when the standard spells work.
And the shroud is necromantic, and says you can discern invisible creatures as though see invis. Not divining their location, but perceive them.
Maybe its just fluff, but to me, the description of the shroud says you see invisible/ethereal things because of a connection to the spectral dead, not because of divination magic.
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Thats whatever the author of that entry wrote. The text of mindblank says that it prevents all spells and devices, so all items using divinations are out.
About spells and spell-like abilities:
Those two are not the same. They have different rules on how to use them, and you need different feats to enhance them (even if they do the same thing like empower).
What was intended (way back in the 70ies) was that monsters have access to magical abilities they could use at will without ritual or components. Then it became obvious that writing up a set of those was practically a copy of part of the spell lists. So the solution was that the abilities would just reference the effect wanted and skip the redundant work. And we are still at that point. Nobody ever wanted to write up a monster-specific power list when the standard spells work.
1) Spell like ability work in all regards as spells with the exception of some very specific and spelled out difference, so something that block spells block them too.
Spell-Like Abilities (Sp): Spell-like abilities, as the name implies, are magical abilities that are very much like spells. Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). Spell-like abilities can be dispelled but they cannot be counterspelled or used to counterspell.
Maybe you should read the current manuals. The '70 books aren't a useful reference.
2) "Devices" isn't the same as "items". It can be used to mean "instruments, abilities and methods" when you want to keep your word count low.
Mind blank block all divination attempts, regardless of the way in wick you get the divination ability.
That are the current books. And you quote it yourself: SLAs are treated mostly like spells, but are different.
Just to equal "device" with "anything else" is farfetched. What is not written does not exist, and we can all argue what the author left out till time ends - or someone clarifies it officially :)
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That are the current books. And you quote it yourself: SLAs are treated mostly like spells, but are different.
Just to equal "device" with "anything else" is farfetched. What is not written does not exist, and we can all argue what the author left out till time ends - or someone clarifies it officially :)
LOL, re read what I cited. It explain exactly where SLA abilities don't work as spells.