Can ı take aether elemental as an eidolon for unchained summoner.

[Lausth]

Title says it all.My firends told me that you cant take aether eidolon because it has no eidolon stat block.İs it true.Can ı realy not take this particular eidolon?

[QuidEst]

They are correct. Where would you get stats from?

[Lausth]

Where every elemental eidolon gets their stats?

[Saethori]

Eidolons Unchained wrote:

The base evolutions of an elemental eidolon depend entirely on its chosen element. When first summoning an elemental eidolon, the summoner must select air, earth, fire, or water. Once made, this choice cannot be changed. The eidolon gains the following evolutions and abilities, which can vary depending on its element.

It is very specific in which elements you can select from. Even other forms of elementals that existed at the time weren't selectable.

If your GM decides to houserule aether elemental eidolons, s/he can figure out what to assign as its base evolutions. But without GM homebrew, you are restricted only to those four options.

[Lausth]

But when that was posted aether elemental didnt even existed.They gave similar kind of an answer to psychic bloodline using arcane scrools.So ı am curious about it.So I am just not so sure about that.

[Saethori]

True, aether elementals didn't exist back then. They do now. This happens.

There has been no errata to the unchained summoner to allow them to select an elemental other than those four. There has been no book detailing a new elemental eidolon type. Such things might exist later, but they do not now, so you either accept the restrictions or ask your GM for homebrew.

[Lausth]

That seems bad of pazio to do this :S First make an amazing elemental.Then never think about that. :S Its been almost a year ı mean come on.

[QuidEst]

Aether stuff just isn't as common as the elements that actually have their own plane. And while it's been a year, the original four have had a decade. That said, drakes and wysps got an aether option, and there's the Kineticist, of course.

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

Lausth wrote:

That seems bad of pazio to do this :S First make an amazing elemental.Then never think about that. :S Its been almost a year ı mean come on g+&#*+mit.

There ARE other elementals, it's most likely a deliberate decision to limit the choices to the classic four for balance reasons. Oddball elemental types tend to have abilities and/or immunities that are not balanced compared to the classic four.

The original summoner was an unbalanced monster. Paizo is going to be VERY VERY careful in making sure the unchained version doesn't become one as well.

[Saethori]

Perhaps. But there are things that have been left to languish for longer.

Unchained Summoner in general gets the short end of a lot of sticks. It isn't even clear if all the spells that have been printed for Summoner since that book are also available to Unchained Summoners.

Think of Paizo as you wish, but I think it has more to do with wanting to fill their books with content they feel their fans want more than revisiting old things.

[Fistbeard McBeardfist]

You don't have a progression for when the aether elemental eidolon gets her special abilities, but you could extrapolate it from the progression of the other elementals easily enough, as a houserule. Of course, the abilities would work as intended, not the bullshit no-save disarm interpretation that some people on this board are fond of. Also, when you look at the progression of the four classic elementals, you will se that they are completely nerfed into the ground.

[Lausth]

You cant use a non save disarm with aether elemental.That works exactly like the foe throw of telekinekicist.So no no save disarm.İf that is what you mean by that.

[Lausth]

And thanks for the responses guys/gals.It was helpfull.

[Lausth]

By the way ı mean what ı have said about the aether elemental no save disarm.That Elemental is a copy of Telekineticist.I have seen devs responding to questions about that by reffering to TK.So ıf you have a question about that you can read the blast rules of kineticist.I do love that class and its elemental but you cant do that.

[QuidEst]

Lausth wrote:

By the way ı mean what ı have said about the aether elemental no save disarm.That Elemental is a copy of Telekineticist.I have seen devs responding to questions about that by reffering to TK.So ıf you have a question about that you can read the blast rules of kineticist.I do love that class and its elemental but you cant do that.

… what? Disarm never allows for a save. You roll CMB versus CMD. All the elemental can do (and the Aetherkineticist as well) is make that roll from a distance using telekinesis. That isn't very helpful, though, because you're far away and they can just pick up their weapon without even provoking an attack of opportunity.

[Lausth]

I thought he meant the Telekinetic Throw (Ex) ability not Telekinetic Maneuver (Su).Which like he says.Some people can see that as a normal weapon cant make a fort save so yeah say good by to your weapon.I think magical weapons can use their wielders fortitude save bonus though ı am not sure if it works againts everything.İ didnt check the rules for it.

[Saethori]

Damaging Objects wrote:

An item attended by a character (being grasped, touched, or worn) makes saving throws as the character (that is, using the character's saving throw bonus).

If you are wielding the weapon, it is attended. If it is attended, it gets to make the same saving throw you might have to. So, in effect, you can make a Fortitude save to prevent the elemental from picking up your sword and trying to use it to make an attack against... say... that pool of lava over there.