Tumor Familiar and Ioun Stones

[Angel Hunter D]

Ok, this is for PFS just so we're clear.

So as far as I can figure, you can give familiars slotless items no problem - So Ioun Stones should be kosher.

Next part of this is about what a tumor familiar can do while attached. If there's a reference for this already that'd be great but I haven't found it. If I gave the growth a purple ioun stone, can it use it to hit me with a spell while I do my own thing on my turn?

bonus round: if the stone has a full-round casting spell in it does he have to concentrate if he takes damage?

[Pizza Lord]

A tricky question. Just because an item is slotless doesn't mean it can always be used. Some slotless items still might require a bodypart. A slotless tattoo item that must be placed on a hand or arm probably won't be allowed if you don't have arms.

An ioun stone very clearly and specifically orbits a creature's head (not their naval, not circling around their bicep, not moving up and down along their spine). I would say that a creature must have at the very least a head analogue. This isn't usually a problem for a detached tumor familiar, because it has a form that will likely have a head (a bat, a cat, a raven). While they still grant the benefits of the familiar type when attached, I guess it would depend on if you rule that there's a cat-shaped tumor-form sticking out of your stomach or back. If your normal working of an attached tumor is that it's mostly a formless mass, then the ioun stone should not be allowed to work.

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bonus round: if the stone has a full-round casting spell in it does he have to concentrate if he takes damage?

While activating the ability won't provoke attacks, if they are interrupted or damaged while casting the spell, it may be disrupted. Similar to what would happen if they successfully cast a spell that required concentration to maintain and they took damage.

[Angel Hunter D]

hmmm...a little less clear on the main stuff than I would have liked, but the bonus round is pretty clear

[Plausible Pseudonym]

A familiar needs hands to use an Ioun Stone.

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When a character first acquires a stone, she must hold it and then release it, whereupon it takes up a circling orbit 1d3 feet from her head.

[GinoA]

Plausible Pseudonym wrote:

A familiar needs hands to use an Ioun Stone.

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When a character first acquires a stone, she must hold it and then release it, whereupon it takes up a circling orbit 1d3 feet from her head.

Except, at least in PFS, any animal or Familiar with INT >= 3 can use an Ioun stone.

[David knott 242]

I suppose most familiars can hold an Ioun stone with their mouths. Can a tumor familiar even do that?

[Bearserk]

Monkeys have hands...and a tumor familiar can be one!

[Angel Hunter D]

A tumor can definitely hold stuff.

next bit of this is

- does it still have seperate item slots when we fuse?
- can it still act "normally" when fused?

[zylphryx]

you could implant the stone in the tumor, thereby removing the need for the tumor to have a head. ;)

Edit: not sure about when it is fused to you. In that case would you gain the benefit of the stone, or would it still be limited to the tumor?

[Angel Hunter D]

I would think it's still the tumor who benefits, but I plan on using him as a buff-bank with cracked purple stones. (I'm going to put the tumor on a Bloodrager, and with so-so AC a turn killing is better than a turn buffing).

Also, can't implant stones in PFS.

[zylphryx]

unless they changed the ruling ...

yes you can

But they could have changed the ruling

[Angel Hunter D]

well that is interesting, thanks for the heads up

[zylphryx]

I kinda like the idea of a gem encrusted tumor familiar ... I may have to try that with an aberrant bloodline sorcerer I have.

[GinoA]

I may or may not have a Wayang Empiricist with over a dozen stones* embedded along the top of his nose/head like a shiny mohawk.

* All the +1 knowledge variants and a few others.