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Silver Crusade

I've been reading a bit about Arcanists on these forums and opinion seems to be mixed on what they can and can't use.

Which of the following work for an Arcanist?

Pearl of Power (CRB) wrote:
This seemingly normal pearl of average size and luster is a potent aid to all spellcasters who prepare spells (clerics, druids, rangers, paladins, and wizards). Once per day on command, a pearl of power enables the possessor to recall any one spell that she had prepared and then cast that day. The spell is then prepared again, just as if it had not been cast. The spell must be of a particular level, depending on the pearl. Different pearls exist for recalling one spell per day of each level from 1st through 9th and for the recall of two spells per day (each of a different level, 6th or lower).
Runestone of Power (ACG) wrote:
A runestone of power is a small chip of polished stone etched with a rune. These objects are potent aids to all spellcasters who cast spontaneously (but not to spellcasters like clerics who have the option to spontaneously cast certain spells). Once per day, a spontaneous caster can draw upon a runestone of power to cast a spell; doing so is part of the spellcasting action, and expends that runestone’s power for the day rather than one of the spellcaster’s actual spell slots for the day. An expended runestone of power recharges its capacity after 24 hours. The spell must be of the same level as the runestone or lower.
Page of Spell Knowledge (UE) wrote:
This page is covered in densely-worded arcane or divine magical runes. It contains the knowledge of a single arcane or divine spell (chosen by the creator when the item is crafted). If the bearer is a spontaneous spellcaster and has that spell on her class spell list, she may use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells known. A page of spell knowledge is priced based on the spell’s cleric or sorcerer/wizard spell level, unless the spell doesn’t appear on either of those spell lists, in which case it is based on the highest spell level as it appears on any other spell list. For example, a spell that is on the 4th-level inquisitor list and the 2nd-level paladin list is priced as a 4th-level spell.
Expanded Arcana (APG) wrote:

Prerequisites: Caster level 1st, see Special.

Benefit: Add one spell from your class’s spell list to your list of spells known. This is in addition to the number of spells normally gained at each new level in your class. You may instead add two spells from your class’s spell list to your list of spells known, but both of these spells must be at least one level lower than the highest level spell you can cast in that class. Once made, these choices cannot be changed.
Special: You can only take this feat if you possess levels in a class whose spellcasting relies on a limited list of spells known, such as the bard, oracle, and sorcerer.
You can gain Expanded Arcana multiple times.

The existence of the following shouldn't really affect whether they above do or do not work for Arcanists but I guess its another piece of the puzzle.

Spell Lattice (ACG) wrote:

A spell lattice is a block of transparent crystal, internally etched with a three-dimensional representation of a spell. This spell is chosen when the item is created (the contained spell determines the school of the lattice’s aura). When a spell lattice is wielded by a spontaneous spellcaster who has the spell contained within it on her class spell list, she can use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells known. When an arcanist holds a spell lattice, as long as she has the contained spell on her class spell list, she can use her spell slots to cast that spell as if it were one of her spells currently prepared.

A spellcaster who uses a spellbook or a formula book can copy the spell from a spell lattice as if it were a scroll. Doing so expends the spell from the spell lattice.
Expanded Preparation (ACG) wrote:

Prerequisites: Arcanist level 1st.

Benefit: You gain an extra spell prepared of the highest level you can currently cast as an arcanist when selecting this feat. This is in addition to the number of spells you can normally prepare from your spellbook. You can instead add two spells prepared, but both of these spells must be at least 1 level lower than the highest-level spell you can currently cast as an arcanist when selecting this feat. You must choose which benefit you gain when you take this feat, and the extra spells prepared do not change level when you gain access to higher-level spells.
Special: You can take this feat up to three times. Each time you do, you can choose either benefit.
Arcanist (ACG) wrote:
Feats and other effects that modify the number of spells known by a spellcaster instead affect the number of spells an arcanist can prepare.

My reading is that Pearl of Power will not work. Arcanist's don't forget their spells so they have nothing to recall. Everything else seems like it should work on an Arcanist to me. Runestone of Power and Page of Spell Knowledge seem like it comes down to if the Arcanist is a prepared spellcaster, spontaneous spellcaster or both. Seems like both to me. They prepare their spells but cast them spontaneously.

Thanks.


Pearl of Power doesn't work.

Expanded Arcana would work, except that the 'special' line precludes an Arcanist from taking it - There is no way you can justifiably describe an Arcanist as "a class ... [that] ...relies on a limited list of spells known".

Runestone and Page should work fine though.

Silver Crusade

You're right of course. My brain just totally blanked that statement into something else about spontaneous casting.

Is there anyway, other than Expanded Preparation, to get extra spell slots on an Arcanist?

The Spell Lattice & Page of Spell Knowledge are fixed to 1 spell which which, while useful, is not ideal.


Just to clarify, Expanded Preparation doesn't give you additional spells per day. Neither do the Spell Lattice or Page of Spell Knowledge. All these do is add more options to choose from for the limited spells per day you do have. The only way to accomplish that is through Runestones of Power, as far as I'm aware.

Other than the Runestones I would suggest simply using scrolls, wands, staves or any other item that allows for casting specific spells to virtually expand your spells per day.

Liberty's Edge

The easiest way to get additional spells per day is to boost your casting stat. For an Arcanist that means an Intelligence boosting item.

As to the listed options, I agree that Pearl of Power does not work for Arcanists, but the Runestone of Power and Page of Spell Knowledge do.

Expanded Arcana is debatable. The Arcanist text indicates that feats which, "modify the number of spells known by a spellcaster instead affect the number of spells an arcanist can prepare"... and Expanded Arcana definitely 'modifies the number of spells known'. Thus, it could be argued that it grants an arcanist one additional max level spell prepared per day or two lower level spells... which is then essentially identical to 'Expanded Preparation', so why not just use that instead and avoid the uncertainty / complexity?


*no longer relevant stuff*

P.S. I cannot believe I forgot 'raise Int'. Good catch there, CBDunkerson

Edit: A post I quoted has vanished. As the post itself didn't contribute to the thread neither does the quote so I've removed it.


while it's not explicitly stated in the Arcanist class, they are spontaneous casters.
As a mixed class (wizard & sorcerer) they prepare spells. "An arcanist must study her spellbook each day to prepare her spells."
So it becomes a weird case which will depend on text in the item.

Pearls of power do work - just not quite in the way you expect.
Since the Arcanist has prepared the spell, using the pearl it is prepared again... but since he uses slots to cast it doesn't mean much. If a wizard had prepared two of the same spells, cast one, and then recalled it via a pearl, he would have 2 spells again. So, if the Arcanist were to somehow lose a prepared spell then the pearl would restore the preparation. This agrees with the quote from the ACG.
As PFS is a simple format I'd expect a simple "no" for organized play in general.

Runestone, as per spontaneous caster. Use magic item slot to cast.

Page of Spell Knowledge, Spell Lattice, as per spontaneous caster. Add a specific prepared/spell known to options.

Feat: Expanded Arcana.{deleted some stuff} The ACG quote would make this work.
Feat: Expanded Preparation. The same thing just reworded to work with Arcanist class.
It's more effective to just to scribe an extra spell or two in your Arcanist's book and use a bonded object, or buy some Pages of Spell Knowledge. This feat is worth it after mid(10+) level. PoSK 4th($16000), 5th($25000),...
Should the Arcanist have a bonded object items of interest become; Amulet of Spell Cunning, Amulet of Spell Mastery which would increase the prepared/known spells but not the slots.

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