Shapechanging Vigilantes


Rules Questions


Okay lets start with an example:
Create a Kitsune Vigilante
Use one of her forms for the Vigilante Identity and the other for Social Identity

Changing takes a little bit longer (one standard action or one move with qick change, even less with feat if I recall it right)

That should make a +30 for the other identiy

Would that work?

Or should it maybe even get a higher bonus (circumstance bonus) if one can clearly seperate both?

Liberty's Edge

One potential problem here is that lots of people know that Kitsune can change shape. There'd be no reason to suspect that the human form is a Kitsune, but it would be clear that the humanoid fox form was hiding its human identity.

Thus, I'd suggest making the humanoid fox form the vigilante identity... leaving people trying to identify 'the masked fox' with the entire human population to guess between. If you reversed it then you've got a humanoid fox form that people know is hiding its human identity and a human form vigilante that people know is hiding its 'social identity' and it becomes a lot easier to figure out.

The Concordance

The rules are silent on whether you can appear to be another race, so I assume you can be at the right penalty. Basically, you'd choose your pre-existing human form as your Vigilante or social form, and then build on it using Change Shape. This is similar to when you make a mundane disguise of a certain noble and then enhance it with Disguise Self.

Base Vigilante (mundane)
Seamless Guise: +20 to not be the other identity

Change Shape (magical)
General Polynorph rules: +10 to be that creature
Change Shape: +10 to appear human

Disguise Skill Modifiers: -2 for different race

When you encounter people, you'll receive a +18 (Change Shape, penalty) to appear human, that'll probably be your most common check since not everyone suspects you. If they beat you they'll know you're a kitsune of some kind.

Against those may suspect you of being a Vigilante it jumps up to +38. If they beat you they'll know you're THAT kitsune.

Against someone with True Seeing, it's +18 (Seamless Guise, penalty) because they see through magical disguises but not mundane ones. If they beat you they'll know you're THAT kitsune.

Kind of a weird interaction to adjudicate.


that would make one heck of a 'who is it' game :P


hmm, that brings to mind a split personality kitune. Changes identity into the vigilante. Would be very amusing.


That could make the whole thing even more interesting
but you would need a cooperating gm


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If you really want to seperate the identities, the Agathiel archetype changes into an animal (that still wears all the equipment including armor) for the vigilanty identity. Who would guess that the nice human is secretly the steel plated dinosaur?

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