Okay. So, a wizard/arcanist/bard (Whichever) picks up this useful little spell. How can an early level character 'Forget' the information they've memorized? Is there no other early-level method to forget what Memorize Page has magically imprinted in your mind?
The Arcanist uses Quick Study, prepares it, and commits a spell to memory from a scroll without wasting the scroll itself. The Wizard prepares it one early morning, memorizes a treasure map, and burns the real thing. The Bard copies a speech or some sheet music to perform in front of royalty without needing to constantly reference a sheet of paper.
All useful stuff. Their individual goals are fulfilled, the party continues on adventuring. A few days, weeks, or even months can pass. These beings *Still* have the information. Only the bard, at much higher levels, can actually modify their own memory; The wizard or arcanist must have the UMD skill and an expensive magic item, or find someone to perform this specific (And Dangerous!) service.
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
No, you're not - I guess the creator of that spell never considered the issue.
There are worse "offenders" though: Once you're hypnotised, you stay that way... forever! *cue thunderclap*
There are worse "offenders" though: Once you're hypnotised, you stay that way... forever! *cue thunderclap*
That's... That's amazing. Granted, it's only a permanent shift of 2 steps closer to friendly to one single request, that's still stupidly impressive for a 1st level spell!
Go around town, and ask every shopkeeper ever for a loan before word gets around. Even if half of them see through the ruse, or react badly to the appearance of magic (Play it off as a detect magic spell?), the other half will be forever inclined to lend that 'Good buddy' a few pieces of silver and gold....
Gods, if only the occult skill unlock gave you Hypnotism as per the spell. That'd give me shivers. ooooh, mind control...
*cough* Ahem.
So, that's a shame. An Arcanist or Wizard has no chance to forget the knowledge they've implanted in themselves without the aid of another caster or a scroll, huh? ...Yep, shame shame shame...
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While the subject is fascinated by this spell, it reacts as though it were two steps more friendly in attitude. This allows you to make a single request of the affected creature (provided you can communicate with it). The request must be brief and reasonable. Even after the spell ends, the creature retains its new attitude toward you, but only with respect to that particular request.
No, you can't repeat the same request again and again. You benefit from the spell only for the original loan request. Any new request is a different instance, unrelated to the previous request as far as the spell go.
The target will forever think that accepting that particular loan request at that time was a reasonable decision (if a two step shift in attitude was enough to get a loan, BTW), but he will not think that loaning something to you is always a wise idea.
Ahhh, alright. Thanks for setting me straight. Suppose I should have seen that coming, but you did the thunderclap and everything!
Also, I did manage to find a recent thread asking a similar question; Apparently an arcane caster other than a bard would need to wait for the "Break Enchantment" spell. It does work to reverse Memorize Page. It's simply not that early level...
Still not finding anything at lower levels. Not even Hidden Knowledge + Dispel is of use if you're not memorizing an actual text, and somehow I doubt you can recite magical formulae aloud in 50 words or less..
The Arcanist uses Quick Study, prepares it, and commits a spell to memory from a scroll without wasting the scroll itself.
Slight nitpick, you can't use it this way (assuming you are intending to cast the new spell from the memory alone). But you could use Memorize Page to transcribe the spell to your spellbook and then cast it from your book like any other spell in there.
So, you could go through a scroll shop on a rampant memorization spree! Free high level spells for you! until you run out of RAM that is...
Slight nitpick, you can't use it this way (assuming you are intending to cast the new spell from the memory alone). But you could use Memorize Page to transcribe the spell to your spellbook and then cast it from your book like any other spell in there.So, you could go through a scroll shop on a rampant memorization spree! Free high level spells for you! until you run out of RAM that is...
That actually is the way I meant it. Sorry for the poor wording. And yus, free spells to add to the ol' tome! You just need to somehow convince the shopkeeper that standing in his shop, reading his product, casting a spell, and staring at a piece of paper for 10 minutes are all perfectly fine. (Of course, a little Hypnotism could help with that...)
Still doesn't solve the issue of an early level character having a maximum cap of things they can memorize.
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It's unfortunately worded with it being permanent (baring the spells listed to remove). In PFS, since spell effects end at the end of the scenario, you could memorize something new each session, but I don't think you'd get away with free access to any scroll. You could memorize a scroll you find without using it, though, so that it would still be available for the scenario, and you could still scribe it into your book without paying the cost to access the spell.
Cast from the book? you mean write in the book, then memorize, then cast I guess?
I recently rechecked the rules about spell books, and failed to see any about casting straight from the book ... Did I err, if so, where are those rules, since they are definitely not in CRB p 220?
Forgot that, I haven't managed to play one yet, my DM is not thrilled with anything beyond CRB.
Cast from the book? you mean write in the book, then memorize, then cast I guess?
I recently rechecked the rules about spell books, and failed to see any about casting straight from the book ... Did I err, if so, where are those rules, since they are definitely not in CRB p 220?
That is what i meant, I should have said "prepare and cast normally" or something