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I looked through the FAQs and searched the forums about rules for DDs, and was unable to find the answers to a few things.
I was wondering how the rules interact for a character with multiple classes that the Dragon Disciple PrC can affect.
For Example Bloodrager, and Sorcerer.
1.) If you multi-class into more than one class with access to bloodlines, do all of your bloodlines advance together? Bloodrager/Sorcerer/DD?
2.) If you multi-class into more than one class with access to bloodlines, do they all have to have Draconic? Or could you for example go Draconic Bloodrager / Crossblooded (any combination that doesn't involve draconic) Sorcerer?
3.) Circumstantially, if your bloodlines all advance at once, and you can draw from 3 bloodlines, would all 3 advance at the same rate?
I found multiple references that indicate that Crossblooded Sorcerers advance both bloodlines simultaneously, but could not find anything about adding Bloodrager in at the same time.
1. When you level up in DD you have to choose which class you are going to advance. PrC's that advance your caster level for something such as arcane casting tend to tell you to choose which class you are advancing.
2. If they are being used to qualify for the DD, and they have access to the draconic bloodline they must have it. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
3. The only way I can see them all advancing at once is if they stack. If they are actually different bloodlines then I would likely need to see the specific rules text to give an accurate answer.
1. Bloodrager bloodlines interact with blood of dragons as if it were sorcerer levels. So RAW it states it progresses your sorcerer bloodline levels. If you were sorcerer/Bloodrager/Dragon disciple they sound like they would both progress at the same rate as you level DD, however expect your GM to rule otherwise.
Blood of dragons does not specifically call out more then one class with a bloodline, while the bonus spells option does specifically call out a class to be selected if more then one is available.
Side note on this, dragon disciples class features all specifically call out the sorcerer bloodline, not the Bloodrager bloodline, so that may throw a wrench into your double dipping.
2. If both classes are used to get into DD, all bloodlines have to be draconic, and of the same type.
3. If you did have 3 bloodlines, sorcerer, Bloodrager, and may e the fighter with the dragonic bloodline and your GM ruled the first question a yes, it would seem likely all 3 would advance as well. However, again, DD class features all call out the sorcerer bloodline specifically, not other classes draconic bloodlines, and if your playing the RAW rule here, expect it to be played against you everywhere.
1) By RAW DD only improves sorcerer bloodlines:
Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline.
2) If you would just go for bloodrager, by RAW you wouldn't have to take draconic (as strange as it is). But since you take sorcerer levels, bloodrager must be draconic also:
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.
While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, doing so usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified. If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline).
I am not sure whether crossblooded and non-crossblooded can be mixed by RAW. Also I am not sure whether two crossblooded classes would have to have the same bloodlines.
3) I wouldn't say DD advances anything beside draconic. You could read the following without context, sure:
A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline.
But it's the first sentence of the ability description, which tends to be fluff. And it doesn't make much sense if a draconic disciple becomes more advanced in being a demon etc.
1. I technically sheepish is right, Bloodrager bloodline doesn't state anywhere it behaves like sorcerers line. I did find a thread about double dipping bloodlines, I'll see if I can find it again.
Technically, Dragon Disciple advances Bloodrager bloodlines. FAQ trumps book wording.
Dragon Disciple and Bloodrager: The dragon disciple’s blood of dragons ability increases draconic sorcerer bloodline powers. What about draconic bloodragers?
Yes, dragon disciple's blood of dragons ability should also increase draconic bloodragers’ bloodline powers.
And there's the answer from the thread I was looking for. Thanks Saethori.
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I had missed this rule when reading up on Bloodrager:
"While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, doing so usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified. If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline)."
Which directly answers question 2.
It seems from reading other threads about Crossblooded that the general consensus is RAW both bloodlines would advance, but RAI is should only be Draconic that advances, and it might get FAQ/Errata'd to correct that in the future.
Thanks everyone :)
In the Bloodrager class rules, there is a requirement that the bloodlines match if you have two classes with bloodlines and that you must make appropriate adjustments if they cannot match. For a character with the Crossblooded archetype, that would mean that the other class must also take a Crossblooded archetype if possible (which would be a nasty hit to Will saves since both archetypes impose that -2 penalty). If one of the classes lacks a Crossblooded archetype (for example, Magus with Eldritch Scion archetype), then you would have to drop the Crossblooded archetype for the other class.
This post resolves for PFS the question of whether a Crossblooded Sorcerer (and, by implication, a Crossblooded Bloodrager) can qualify for the Dragon Disciple prestige class if one of the two bloodlines is Draconic. While I would normally ignore negative PFS rulings in home games, I would give a good deal of weight to positive or otherwise clarifying rulings.
Interestingly, nobody ever clarified how a Crossblooded Sorcerer or Bloodrager interacts with the Blood of Dragons ability of the Dragon Disciple prestige class. Do you have a single bloodline level for the entire bloodline, or one for each bloodline? In the latter case, you could get some weird interactions as your bloodline level advances -- and Crossblooded is not the only archetype that could present this problem in regard to optional or mandatory replacements for Draconic bloodline powers.
Another question: I understand that a Dragon Disciple with no Bloodrager levels would not advance his Draconic Bloodrager bloodline not only because he does not have the Bloodrager bloodline but because he would be totally unable to use it in the absence of either an actual Bloodrager level or some other method for activating such abilities (such as a Magus/Eldritch Scion level). But would a Bloodrager with no Sorcerer levels advance the Draconic Sorcerer bloodline? The Sorcerer version of the bloodline is perfectly functional with no actual Sorcerer levels.
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A quick reading of the rules and the FAQs would lead me to believe that the "Blood of Dragons" ability of the Dragon Disciple advances both the Sorcerer and the Bloodrager Draconic bloodlines. However, the effects do not stack .. as such, abilities come on line on a "first-past-the-goalpost" fashion. Both the bloodlines are nearly identical, so it should not be such a big problem.
Keep in mind if you argue the point I have made with your GM, you are taking the advice of an intoxicated individual.
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After multiple readings and re-readings of the rules and peoples discussion of them in this post as well as others, here is what I am going with.
Multi-classed Bloodrager/Sorcerer/Dragon Discples must have the same bloodlines, either Draconic or Crossblooded Draconic/other bloodlines for both classes.
Spell Caster levels are applied to 1 class upon achieving a DD level that increases them.
Bloodline advancement via Blood of Dragons is done the same way, and may only be applied to the Draconic bloodline.
This seems the most logical, and feels like the way the rules were intended to work. Some people may interpret it differently, but this is what I am going with unless a new FAQ or errata pops up to dispute it.
I strongly suspect that Blood of Dragons does not specify only one class bloodline being raised, the way spell casting is called out to be one class only, becaus there was only one class with bloodlines when Dragon Disciple was written. Limiting it to only one class bloodline being raised would be consistent with other PrC abilities.
Well, when the FAQ was released that said "Blood of Dragons also affects Bloodrager Bloodline Powers", the option of taking a Bloodrager/Sorcerer had existed for quite some time already. I have no idea if that wording was just a major oversight, but if so it's a pretty striking mistake for the fact that they had presumably been considering the whole situation for months before releasing a FAQ specifically about it.
'Officially' I would probably just apply the word 'also' literally since "that's what the man said *shrug*". Doesn't really make that much difference anyhow.
You have to chose which class a level of DD advances; you can choose a different one every level, but that level of DD goes on all points.
If you choose your first level of DD in a sorc/bard/bloodrager combo to advance sorc, then it will not d anything for the bard or the bloodrager (on that level)
If a character had more than one arcane spellcasting class before becoming a dragon disciple, he must decide to which class he adds the new level for purposes of determining spells per day.
You choose which class you advance for spellcasting purposes, but it says nothing about other features. Choosing to advance Blood of Dragons in the same way is one logical option for it though, but by the FAQ and the way Blood of Dragons works, you add your DD level to your Sorcerer levels for Bloodline, and then Blood of Dragons 'also' applies to Bloodrager Bloodline levels.