Dizzying Defense: Does a Swashbuckler make a swift action melee attack when using this deed?


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Topic title. As it allows you to perform the fighting defensively action as a swift action, and fighting defensively includes an attack as part of its action, does the Swashbuckler get a free attack?

Would the Swashbuckler, for instance, be able to take the Run action and then use this deed to make an attack at the end? Full-attack and use this deed for an extra attack?

Quote:
Dizzying Defense (Ex): At 15th level, while wielding a light or one-handed piercing melee weapon in one hand, the swashbuckler can spend 1 panache point to take the fighting defensively action as a swift action instead of a standard action. When fighting defensively in this manner, the dodge bonus to AC gained from that action increases to +4, and the penalty to attack rolls is reduced to –2.


Core Rulebook wrote:

Base Attack Bonus (BAB)

[..]When a creature's base attack bonus reaches +6, +11, or +16, he receives an additional attack in combat when he takes a full-attack action[...]
Core Rulebook wrote:

Full Attack action

If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough [...] you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks.
Core Rulebook wrote:

Fighting Defensively as a Full-Round Action

You can choose to fight defensively when taking a full-attack action[...]
Core Rulebook wrote:

Attack

Making an attack is a standard action.
Core Rulebook wrote:

Fighting Defensively as a Standard Action

You can choose to fight defensively when attacking[...]

It's interesting that fight defensively doesn't say something like "As a standard action you can make a single attack with -4 penalty on all attacks in a round to gain a +2 to AC until the start of your next turn." but instead has the cryptic meaning "You can choose to fight defensively when attacking". This implies that it's a part of the normal standard attack or full round attack. Not really it's own action but instead an overlay of the normal (standard) attack action.

End effect should still be a free attack though. Dizzying defense basically says after replacing the text from normal rules with dizzying defense text:

Nord's interpretation wrote:

Fighting Defensively as a Swift Action

You can choose to fight defensively when making an attack as a swift action. If you do so, you take a –4 penalty on all attacks in a round to gain a +2 to AC until the start of your next turn.

So you can swift action attack, make a full-round action (such as run or full attack action). You can by RAW even put the swift action attack *after* full-attack and almost completely negate the attack penalty for the round. Though as a GM I would RAI that rule.

You could make an argument that the extra attack from swift action counts against the total attacks you can do from attack action and attacks from BAB. But I don't think so. RAW although very confusing seems to be that after that swift attack action (+1 attack) you make a standard action attack (+1 attack) (then convert it to full-round action) to get the additional attacks from base attack bonus (+1, +2 or +3 attacks).


As far as I can tell, two years later no one knows. Whoever wrote and edited the Swashbuckler should be ashamed, and should also read the freaking rules that the class they're writing interacts with.

Seriously, it's been two years Paizo. Fix this.


Oh, and if you wonder about "balance" if Swashbuckler got a free attack at level 15.

This chart shows a dex-to-damage swashbuckler vs fighter and monk it.
http://imgur.com/a/0SY3z.

Note: 120 of that damage is precision based.

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