|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
The pc gets to make an attack even if the opponent does not trigger an Attack of opportunity. It counts as the pc' s attack of opportunity, but if he has an ability to make more than one attack of opportunity he can still take those. It is a decent feat, but a huge investment.
If the opponent moves, pc gets to follow and attack. If the opponent then provokes due to spell casting/double move/range attack the pc can make the attack if able to make more than one AoO.
Yes, step up and strike allows you to take an AoO if someone takes a 5-foot step away from you. Note: They have to be moving away from you, they cant just be taking 5-foot step to step into a square that nets them a flanker.
Also, yes, combat reflexes does allow you to use step up and strike more times in a round.
In that case...
Boss moves five feet through difficult terrain, doesn't provoke, doesn't risk being ensnared by the Web.
You try to follow him, triggering Following Step. You need to use all ten feet of movement to follow him into difficult terrain, making a check against the Web spell.
You get to attack him, as if making an attack of opportunity. This attack isn't actually an attack of opportunity and does not get benefits that specifies them specifically, but counts as one of your attacks of opportunity for the round.
i know that taking a 5-foot step don't provoke attacks of opportunity.
It normally doesn't, with Step Up and Strike it does. Yes, it's a pretty good feat. But mostly only against squishy casters.
Dose he get a attacks of opportunity because i moved 5-foot step?
Basically yes. It's the effect of the feat, it makes 5ft steps not work like they normally do.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Withdraw and regular movements are not 5-foot steps so no he can't use it. The feat only works on 5-foot steps.
if i use withdraw does he get Step Up and Strike?
or if i decide to move away from him does he get AoO and Step Up and Strike?
and if i use Acrobatics and make the high CMD (some of the char i get 40+ like a 10th lvl monk) will he still get Step Up and Strike?
Nope, none of those qualify.
It is strictly to stop the 5 foot step tactic and be extra sticky to ranged characters or mages.
Withdraw and regular movements are not 5-foot steps so no he can't use it. The feat only works on 5-foot steps.so if i move letting him take AoO the Step Up and Strike don't go off
that nice in all but
but he can move up to 10ft so how dose that work ?
When using the Step Up feat to follow an adjacent foe, you may move up to 10 feet.
It would still not allow him to follow you unless you were taking a 5 foot step specifically.
The 10 ft of movement is to make it so you can tactically place yourself better to either cut them off or make them change direction if they want to keep trying to avoid being in melee.
Withdraw and regular movements are not 5-foot steps so no he can't use it. The feat only works on 5-foot steps.so if i move letting him take AoO the Step Up and Strike don't go off
that nice in all but
but he can move up to 10ft so how dose that work ?
When using the Step Up feat to follow an adjacent foe, you may move up to 10 feet.
Whenever an adjacent foe attempts to take a 5-foot step away from you
|
Yes, step up and strike allows you to take an AoO if someone takes a 5-foot step away from you. Note: They have to be moving away from you, they cant just be taking 5-foot step to step into a square that nets them a flanker.
Also, yes, combat reflexes does allow you to use step up and strike more times in a round.
You don't get an AoO, you get a melee attack that use up one of your AoO.
For some feat and ability that can make a different, so it is worth specifying that.
...
Benefit: When using the Step Up or Following Step feats to follow an adjacent foe, you may also make a single melee attack against that foe at your highest base attack bonus.
Also, Step Up is an immediate action, so you can only use it once per round
i hate to bring up this after a few days after i drop it but this keep coming up (keep thinking about it)
2 ppl round you one behind you and the other is on your left, the one on your lift takes a 5ft step in front of you (so they get Sneak Attack and/or get flanking) will Step Up and Strike go off?
sorry i have to get this off my chest all purposes if i take a 5ft step is provokes AoO yes i know its a option but tell me someone that will not take the opportunity to attack a monster/mage/person/thing if they take a 5ft step?
wait you may also make a 5-foot step as an immediate action so you can do once a round anyway so no it will not work with combat reflexes will yes as the number of AoO you get a round but you can't do Step Up and Strike but once a round. so why am i losing my head of this you can do this once a round before or after your turn.
you can only do this if the enemy moved away from you. moving around you doesn't count for the feat.
|
2 ppl round you one behind you and the other is on your left, the one on your lift takes a 5ft step in front of you (so they get Sneak Attack and/or get flanking) will Step Up and Strike go off?
No. They are stepping toward you, not away.
sorry i have to get this off my chest all purposes if i take a 5ft step is provokes AoO yes i know its a option but tell me someone that will not take the opportunity to attack a monster/mage/person/thing if they take a 5ft step?
Step Up and Strike does not make the 5ft step provoke. It allows you to make an attack that costs one of your AoOs. It is a very fine distinction.
wait you may also make a 5-foot step as an immediate action so you can do once a round anyway so no it will not work with combat reflexes will yes as the number of AoO you get a round but you can't do Step Up and Strike but once a round. so why am i losing my head of this you can do this once a round before or after your turn.
I don't understand the question.
ok i have more questions
one if i take a 5ft step way can i move to another adjacent square another way of say this if i'm in front of you and you move a way can i move to your left or right of you or do i say in front of you use follow up feat or is it the closest adjacent square?idk the other question but it was something like if i move a way like 10ft and stop can i use follow up feat to move up and Strike?
I am not understanding these questions.
For the first paragraph can you rewrite it.
Also "away" is one word, but I don't know if you misspelled it or if you meant to say something different.
|
|
one if i take a 5ft step way can i move to another adjacent square another way of say this if i'm in front of you and you move a way can i move to your left or right of you or do i say in front of you use follow up feat or is it the closest adjacent square?
...so long as you end up adjacent to the foe...
As long as you have the movement to reach the square and it is still adjacent to the foe, you can move there.
ok i have more questions
one if i take a 5ft step way can i move to another adjacent square another way of say this if i'm in front of you and you move a way can i move to your left or right of you or do i say in front of you use follow up feat or is it the closest adjacent square?idk the other question but it was something like if i move a way like 10ft and stop can i use follow up feat to move up and Strike?
Your first question is very difficult to understand, I cannot comprehend what you're trying to ask.
As to your second question, I'm going to rephrase because it's still difficult to understand.
Is your question "If I take a move action to move 10ft away, can my opponent use Step Up and subsequent feats?"
The answer to that question is no. Step Up, Following Step, and Step Up and Strike are all activated by taking a 5ft step, if your opponent uses a move action to move (even just 5ft but not making a 5ft step) then those abilities don't activate.
If your second question is instead "If I'm using Following Step to move 10ft after my opponent has taken a 5ft step can I use Step Up and Strike?"
Yes. Following Step alters what you can do from Step Up, allowing you to move 10ft instead of just 5ft but still requiring you to end adjacent to your opponent. It also remove some other movement related penalties that you otherwise had from Step Up. Assuming you have the Step Up and Strike feat you can make an attack as granted by the rules of the feat.
Okay, I'm going to attempt to explain all the options that this feat chain presents, in order to try to get you to understand its mechanics.
Feats for reference:
Step Up (Combat)
You can close the distance when a foe tries to move away.Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: Whenever an adjacent foe attempts to take a 5-foot step away from you, you may also make a 5-foot step as an immediate action so long as you end up adjacent to the foe that triggered this ability. If you take this step, you cannot take a 5-foot step during your next turn. If you take an action to move during your next turn, subtract 5 feet from your total movement.
---
Following Step (Combat)
You can repeatedly close the distance when foes try to move away, without impeding your normal movement.Prerequisites: Dex 13, Step Up.
Benefit: When using the Step Up feat to follow an adjacent foe, you may move up to 10 feet. You may still take a 5-foot step during your next turn, and any movement you make using this feat does not subtract any distance from your movement during your next turn.
Normal: You can only take a 5-foot step to follow an opponent using Step Up.
---
Step Up and Strike (Combat)
When a foe tries to move away, you can follow and make an attack.Prerequisites: Dex 13, Following Step, Step Up, base attack bonus +6.
Benefit: When using the Step Up or Following Step feats to follow an adjacent foe, you may also make a single melee attack against that foe at your highest base attack bonus. This attack counts as one of your attacks of opportunity for the round. Using this feat does not count toward the number of actions you can usually take each round.
Normal: You can usually only take one standard action and one 5-foot step each round.
First, let's go over what happens with the very base feat, step-up. There is exactly one trigger that can activate it. When an opponent is adjacent to you, uses a 5-ft step, and that 5-ft step places him in a space that is not adjacent to you.
If(and only if) the above condition is met, you may use this feat. Use an immediate action, and take a 5-ft step. This 5-ft step must be used in a way that places your character adjacent to the enemy, but there is otherwise no limitation on it's use.
So, for example, the enemy is adjacent to you and occupying the space immediately to your right. He takes a 5-ft step, placing him in the space adjacent to you immediately above you. Because this 5-ft step did not put him in a space that is nod ajdacent to you, you cannot activate step-up.
Second example, the enemy is adjacent to you and occupying the space immediately to your left. He takes a 5-ft step, placing him in the square two spaces to your left. This meets the conditions for activating step-up, and you can now use your immediate action to make a 5-ft step. You can move 5-ft to any square that ends adjacent to him. So in this situation, you have the choice of moving directly left, diagonally up and left, or diagonally down and left, because all of those squares are within range of your 5-ft step and end with you adjacent to the enemy.
Finally, in the example you gave, this takes place in difficult terrain. The enemy has some ability that allows him to ignore difficult terrain, and takes a 5-ft step to move from a space that is adjacent to you into a space that is not adjacent to you. This triggers step-up, but because you cannot take a 5-ft step, you are unable to use your immediate action to do so, leaving the 5-ft gap between you and your opponent.
---
Next, we consider what happens once you have following step.
First it says "when you use the step up feat", which means that it follows all the same trigger conditions as step-up. The enemy must be adjacent to you and must use a 5-ft step to move into a space that is not adjacent to you.
What it does change? During the action itself, basically only one thing: how much you can move. you can now move either 5 OR 10ft as part of your 5-ft step. So if the enemy is to your left and takes a 5-ft step to end in the square two spaces to your left, you can now end your movement in any of the 3 squares I originally said, or you can go further into the spaces immediately above or below your enemy, since those two spaces are adjacent to the enemy and within 10 feet of you. Basically, so long as the movement is 10 feet or less and it places you adjacent to the enemy, it's fair game for your 10-ft step.
This feat still takes your immediate action, but it no longer reduces how much you can move on your own turn, and it does not prevent you from making a 5-ft step of your own during your turn.
But what about difficult terrain? Well, you might think that because difficult terrain cuts movement in half, your 10-ft step is reduced to a 5-ft step, but that is actually not true. The movement from following step is still using a 5-ft step, because following step says "when you use the step-up feat to follow an adjacent foe" Since this "following step" 10-ft step still counts as and follows the rules of a 5-ft step, the rule of 5-ft steps that prevents you from using it in difficult terrain still applies.
---
Finally, we look at step-up and strike.
When can you use this? Well, what it says. "when you use step-up to follow an opponent". So the conditions, again, remain unchanged. You can only benefit from this feat when an opponent that is adjacent to you takes a 5-ft step, and that step puts him in a space that is not adjacent to you.
So now you use step-up and/or following step, moving yourself as an immediate action and placing yourself into a space that is adjacent to your opponent, and within 10 feet of your original position. Now step-up and strike's bonus kicks in, and allows you to make a melee attack against this opponent at your highest base attack bonus. This is NOT an attack of opportunity; the enemy's "mobility" bonus will not kick in, nor do you get any bonuses to-hit that are associated with an attack of opportunity. This simply subtracts from the number of times you can make an attack of opportunity that round. So, normally, this means that you give up your only chance to make an attack of opportunity that round. However, a feat like combat reflexes would make up for that.
In the case of difficult terrain, you would not be able to make the attack, because you are not using the step-up feat to follow your opponent, simply because you cannot. even if you had a reach weapon and the enemy was in your reach, you still would not be able to attack him.
Does this all make sense?
Yes, you can move up to 10 feet as long as you end up adjacent.
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
i need to have minis to show you what i mean but i will try it in another way
if (let's way a mage) 5 ft a way form you can i use the 10ft form following step and be in another Square that adjacent to the (mage)? or can i use the 10ft to move around him and still be adjacent to the mage?
The red squares are a no-go because they are either further than 10ft or are not adjacent. The green arrows are valid uses of the feat, as they are 10ft or less and adjacent.
|
|
Yes, Following Step allows you to move up to 10ft over your regular movement, if an enemy 5ft steps away from you.
So if your player has his monk move 60ft up to an enemy, and that enemy 5ft steps, he can move 10ft further, as long as he ends up adjacent to that enemy.
He could then move away from that enemy on his next turn, up to his 60ft, to another enemy, and if that enemy 5ft stepped, he could then move 10ft more with the same restrictions.
If the enemy stops 5ft stepping, he no longer gets to move that 10ft, as his feats are not triggered.
@ Johnny_Devo i know the mechanics and the feats it's one of my guys are rule lawyer and trying to get around the rules and he build a monk with all 3 feat and trying to get more movement out of it im trying to get a the holes closed
now its say i moved 30ft to a Mage and attacked then the mage moves 5ft a way can i use step-up and strike? i know you can't move action and a 5ft in the some round.
the why i ask this is this
Benefit: When using the Step Up feat to follow an adjacent foe, you may move up to 10 feet. You may still take a 5-foot step during your next turn, and any movement you make using this feat does not subtract any distance from your movement during your next turn."any movement you make using this feat does not subtract any distance from your movement during your next turn" This will allowing him to move is 60 (for a monk) and 10 each round is the a errata or something it should subtract form his movement if only 5 ft
The amount you move in a previous turn has no bearing on it. You could have moved 5000 feet from some random ability, and step-up would allow you to move 5 feet, and following step would allow you to move 10 feet. If you had that movement range of 5000 feet, then step-up would make you only able to move 4995 feet on your next turn and disallow a 5-ft step. However, following step simply removes that limitation. No matter how many feet you moved in the previous turn, and how many feet you moved using following step, you still get your full movement options during your next turn.
So yes; if he gets 60 feet of movement as a monk, uses it all to move next to the wizard, then the wizard 5-ft steps away and he uses following step to move another 10 feet(so long as that 10 foot movement also ends with him adjacent to the wizard) he still can move his full 60 feet the following round. That's not rules lawyering at all: it's simply gaining exactly what benefits each feat says.