Can you take a Racial Archetype and a Class Archetype?


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I'm using the Taninim race from In the Company of Dragons, and my DM has allowed me to use the Draconic Hero Racial Archetype.. I plan on playing a Oracle of the Mystery Revelation, for the Assume Form sp ability that is integral to him allowing me to use the race at all... however I still want some offensive ability so I was curious if I could take one of the archetypes that is more offensive with its magically spells and revelations.. I looked at the elementalist oracle but they require you to take a 1st level revelation that would negate my Assume Form revelation choice which cannot be done.

What should I do?


Generally, you can take as many archetypes as you want as long as they're not replacing the same ability. I'm not sure I have access to that specific racial archetype (I don't think it's on d20pfsrd), so I can't check it myself, but that's the guideline you should follow.


If they do conflict you have to choose the new one.


When archetypes replace the same class benefit, you can't combine them. By RAW, you can't combine them when it makes any modification to that benefit, though many GM's will allow some combinations (except in PFS).

The Draconic Hero Racial Archetype replaces a lot of class features because it provides a lot of benefits. I expect that it will be difficult to mix with most class archtypes.

As for offense, as you get higher level, the draconic Hero will provide you with many options.

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I'm kinda confused, as "Oracle of the Mystery Revelation" and "Magically spells" are a bit of gibberish. I'm assuming because you want the Assume Form Revelation, that you are taking the Intrigue Mystery. I can understand your frustration with the lack of offensive abilities present in the revelations of the intrigue Mystery. But you still have spell, of which there are a number of offensive options. You do not need elemental oracle to have offensive spells.

That said, none of that matters with your question. I do not have the third party supplement that Draconic Hero comes from, so I do not know what that changes. However, racial archetypes tend to radically alter the base class, making archetype mixing difficult if not impossible. As others have said, you cannot take two archetypes that change the same class feature.


burkoJames wrote:

I'm kinda confused, as "Oracle of the Mystery Revelation" and "Magically spells" are a bit of gibberish. I'm assuming because you want the Assume Form Revelation, that you are taking the Intrigue Mystery. I can understand your frustration with the lack of offensive abilities present in the revelations of the intrigue Mystery. But you still have spell, of which there are a number of offensive options. You do not need elemental oracle to have offensive spells.

That said, none of that matters with your question. I do not have the third party supplement that Draconic Hero comes from, so I do not know what that changes. However, racial archetypes tend to radically alter the base class, making archetype mixing difficult if not impossible. As others have said, you cannot take two archetypes that change the same class feature.

Yes, my mistake that was a typo, I indeed meant the intrigue mystery.


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Philo Pharynx wrote:
By RAW, you can't combine them when it makes any modification to that benefit, though many GM's will allow some combinations (except in PFS).

The FAQ update goes so far as to state that even adding something to a list of available choices, e.g., a new feat or hex, constitutes a modification. Gone is the bladebound hexcrafter magus.

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taks wrote:
Philo Pharynx wrote:
By RAW, you can't combine them when it makes any modification to that benefit, though many GM's will allow some combinations (except in PFS).
The FAQ update goes so far as to state that even adding something to a list of available choices, e.g., a new feat or hex, constitutes a modification. Gone is the bladebound hexcrafter magus.

Wow, really? That's completely insane. That with the new changes to the Pregen death rules, I think I'm done with PFS (not that I am able to play much anyway... nearest PFS group is about 150 miles away from me.)

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