--One of your spells aren't from the approved source list (Mirror Hideaway.)
--The Shadow-Scarred drawback also isn't from the approved source list. You can keep it anyways, though.
Yeah, Mirror Hideaway is just rope trick, it just seemed more thematic for an occultist.
Also—drawbacks list was so short I didn't realize it wasn't all the same source. Shadow-scarred seems like a drawback that would actually matter, especially for a character who specifically has feats focused on fighting in darkness. But I think I had a reason for it, I'll see if I can remember what that was.
Dotting in, if it's not too late. Two quick questions for you, Deranged_Maniac_Ben: Is Path of War Expanded allowed and, if it isn't, would playing something with an Animal Companion/Mount be a problem?
Dotting in, if it's not too late. Two quick questions for you, Deranged_Maniac_Ben: Is Path of War Expanded allowed and, if it isn't, would playing something with an Animal Companion/Mount be a problem?
Would like to know this as well, I know you looked at my stuff but I wasn't sure if you were aware that the stalker archetype I had was from expanded. It basically trades out some stuff and makes the stalker synergize with the investigator.
Animal companion is one thing, but a mount might not work so well. Speaking as a player, we are in an entirely enclosed structure (though of potentially infinite extradimensional size) arranged into floors. It is rare that we are anywhere that you'd be likely to get much use out of a mount.
From memory, we have fought in such places as
- a water-filled room with small platforms and sinkholes
- many hallways from 5 to 20ft wide, trending towards 10ft wide
- as above but with many stairs up and down
- library room that was fairly tall but constrained
- underground shanty-village
- a series of rooms of irregular shape and connection points
- many times there are crowd control effects that work for and/or (more often) against us
- a room with a raging whirlwind and a small eye of the storm in the middle
- spiral staircase
Hm, so Cavalier/Warlord might not work so well then. Thank you; I'll wait on my other question before submitting an application.
I thought I remember reading that DMB did not have POW:E, but I can't remember if it is therefore auto-disallowed. Is the POW:E content on d20PFSRD?
No, but it is found here.
Alright, in that case I'll work up a Warlord/Flying Blade Swashbuckler sometime tomorrow.
How about an Azata-Blooded Aasimar Wood Oracle/Rogue?
The idea would be an agile quarterstaff-wielding divine spellcaster. The Rogue would have the skill ranks and gives the Oracle some needed combat abilities (especially since he would be using TWF, which is really hard to build for as an Oracle).
Which also means I have to ask:
* Do you allow the Azata-Blooded Aasimar?
* How do you feel about the Unchained Rogue?
* If so, how do you feel about him selecting quarterstaff as his Rogue's Finesse weapon?
* How do you feel about the Makeshift Scrapper archetype?
I don't come out of the woodwork very often anymore for recruiting threads, but after reading through your summary I was enthralled by the story. Not to mention the dedicated and quality players within the game. So color me curious.
I'm a bit of a more old fashioned style player, so I'll probably stay away from Path of War and all those other sources.
I have a few character concepts in mind and don't know which one I want to go with, so I have a question first. I know that it's gestalt so party roles are easy to cover, but what don't you guys have? I know somebody said a decision face, but what else? A healer, a tank, a skillmonkey, arcane, divine? Once I know where the party could use some padding up it should be easier for me to narrow down which character concept I want to go with. Thanks ahead of time!
Well, our party consists of:
1.) Ninja who will be gestalting in Ranger. Mostly the ranged combatant you would expect from such a synergy.
2.) Direlock (a 3/4 BAB class that can attain up to 4th level spells and has abilities focused on personal area-of-effect enemy debuffs). This Player has elected to gain a cohort in lieu of gestalting. The cohort's abilities or role are unknown to me.
3.) My character, Gemheart. He was an Aegis who was built as my ultimately unsuccessful attempt at tanking. In becoming gestalt, he is slightly more tanky, with some spellcasting ability focused on damage with a side of CC. he should play like an eldritch knight, i think.
The character we most recently lost was a Rogue/Wizard with an eye on Arcane Trickster.
We have suffered a lot of damage in fights and lack in-combat healing. Gemheart's newest (and untested) iteration has some healing, though it is not as good in combat as it is out of combat. Also, he is meant to be on the front line, so his healing is mostly for himself; anyone needing healing likely wont want to come to the front line to get it.
We also suffer somewhat of a lack of direction as a party. In the pyramid, there are numerous factions vying for power. We have basically tried to court them all and work on neutrality. Each power bloc is entrenched in an area and sees most if not all others as threats. We are the only power bloc with nowhere to call our own. Our intent is to slay the numerous aspects of the lord of the pyramid, which requires personal skills and information gathering that we sorely lack. Our only recourse is to do a number of fetch-quests (usually very dangerous) to endear ourselves to factions in exchange for answers. As such, I feel we are mostly seen as an expendable resource to factions, and none truly trust us enough to give us the support we need.
Thank you Gemheart, that definitely helps clear things up. In that case I think the cleric idea I was toying with will definitely be the best choice. I'm going to start working on fleshing it out.
Can you tell me anything more about these factions?
Edit: Oh, another question. What classes and races are allowed?
Sweet, thanks for the quick response.
So the concept I have in mind is a Shelyn Cleric/Empyreal Sorcerer, and I was wondering if I could play him as an aasimar. His concept would be that he derives massive magical potential from his blood as well as finding faith in the god that bestowed his angelic heritage upon him. Let me know if that's alright, if not I can tweak him to be a human.
I'm glad you posted that Gemheart. My build was going to incorporate a few levels of aegis as well but now from what you said you have me thinking about something else. I was thinking if Deranged would allow it to make a nightblade//paladin with the knight disciple archetype that empowers the healing maneuvers.
The nightblade can eventually get it's own pocket dimension or something really cool like a fortress on the plane of shadows that we could make our base of operations as we got higher level( I think level 15?).
Maybe instead of a charisma based character I could go full wisdom and do a psychic warrior and another killer class called Shadow Assassin if anyone is familiar with it.
That with the psywar going pathwalker/Meditant would be pretty nasty even as a 3/4 bab gestalt.
Also I am not so sure about a cohort in a gestalt game, not because I think it's op, it's more of an issue of trying to make encounters cr appropriate. I like the direlock, especially the predator archetype. Something like that with any other archetype that empowers your animal companion would be pretty brutal as the party tank(as in the animal companion being the tank, not the pc lol). The only thing I didn't like about that class as that it made you split your focus between charisma and intelligence(I think predator alleviates this since you get no spells). I always just gave them a choice of which one they wanted to use.
What are you going on your other side Gemheart? Psion?
Also I am not so sure about a cohort in a gestalt game, not because I think it's op, it's more of an issue of trying to make encounters cr appropriate. I like the direlock, especially the predator archetype. Something like that with any other archetype that empowers your animal companion would be pretty brutal as the party tank(as in the animal companion being the tank, not the pc lol). The only thing I didn't like about that class as that it made you split your focus between charisma and intelligence(I think predator alleviates this since you get no spells). I always just gave them a choice of which one they wanted to use.
What are you going on your other side Gemheart? Psion?
If anything, a 2nd level Vegepygmy Occultist (my current concept for the cohort) instead of going Gestalt will most likely be incredibly underpowered, but I'm more a flavor guy than an optimizer, which may be why we are the way we are. Sorry Tenro/Gemheart! ;) Of course I could be wrong, and the cohort could be a headache for DMB...
And thanks for the kind words about the direlock! I like the Predator too. Can I gestalt the same class?
@DMB - why would information on factions be germane for new characters? We definitely had no idea there even were factions ere we even stepped into the place.
Yeah Yessai, that's what I am saying, a cohort in a gestalt game will be fairly weak in comparison to the main gestalt pc's, and then your main will be weak too.
I don't think you can use the same class on both sides of a gestalt. I think your best bet would be to probably make your character tougher since as a direlock you generally want to be within range of your dire zone which is only 10ft for you now.
I am thinking a bannerman warlord with be a great fit for you since it is some what fear focused, it's all charisma, and it gives you better front line abilities which you need. Golden Lion maneuvers and stances give you stuff that makes you similar to a bard with the party buffs so you could be buffing and debuffing at the same time just by being around and bannerman is focused on that as well, and perhaps you could use your Fell Regalia as your banner instead if DMB allows it, makes sense to me.
Hrm I see you are using the fear eater archetype which means you are using your move actions to "eat" fear and regain health. I know there are at least 3 maneuvers that give you swift action movement, but two of them are in path of war expanded(and they aren't as strong as the regular path of war one, which is a reoccurring them with expanded lol). Black seraph would really do wonders for you character imo. The only issue is there is no regular way to get access to it unless you use a trait that is in expanded, or unless you change your alignment by one step in order to use the martial tradition.
You could still just use Golden lion though and be awesome. Golden lion has a 1st level boost that gives the party a +2 morale bonus to attack/damage, which stacks with bannerman's bonus that they get at level 5. If you had the community minded trait, you could basically use a swift action to give everyone a +4 morale for 3 rounds.
I think the BEST thing however, and this is if DMB decides to use expanded, is that you can use the black seraph line of style feats that eventually allow you to use your fear based stuff on creatures that are immune to mind-affecting effects. That's the real bread winner to me. Wouldn't call something like that optimizing, more like letting you actually play your direlock in the way you want to play them and the way they should be allowed to play.
That would let you fill your niche in the party without bogging down combat with an whole separate character which I personally am not a fan of when it comes to pbp.
That reminded me of something lol.
There is one kid on the weave that constantly joins games and tries to have as many cohorts, animal companions, summons, purchased animals, eidolons, familiars, and anything else you can think as humanly possible.
Dude does it without fail in EVERY game lol, I think that has me jaded to anyone trying to use more than one character. I do think it's hilarious seeing him try to optimize his character around that whole one player army concept.
Almost forgot, why is the ninja using ranger on the other side?
You guys said he is ranged fighter? Why not Divine hunter paly? He loses the fear immunity but that shouldn't be an issue thanks to the direlock right?
@Angelpalm - honestly? That all sounds way too complicated. I tried playing a POW class once or twice here on PbP (and one was Gestalt) but neither game really got off the ground. They are interesting to me. You are definitely right in that making myself tougher is a good option given the small dire zone and wanting to go toe to toe to take advantage of it.
Yes, there have definitely been plenty of creatures that seemed to just have the right immunities to our various abilities - then again we aren't well rounded. Nor has there been much synergy between characters - I've not seen any casters buff my dire mantle with spells or power points yet. [EDIT - maybe Gemheart did once] Then again, Yessai has all the ranged capability of a wingless chicken. ;)
Re: extra characters - originally the cohort was to enlarge the party and, to my mind, promote more interaction. I have no trouble posting for two characters and keeping their conversations and interactions brief.
As for the Ninja - I would imagine because it feels right for the character. I'm not sure suddenly adding Paladin mechanics to the Ninja fits with their concept.
Final note - this is a Recruitment, not an examination of what the current characters are doing. My apologies for entering into that by asking the Gestalt question - that was more rhetorical than anything. :) Having said that I'll think this over. Thanks for the advice and I'm impressed at your understanding of the Direlock.
Yes, we havent made the most optimized choices.
Granted, Aegis is not necessarily bad. I was just trying to tank using heavy armor alone. I was weilding 2h weapons to power attack some more damage into things because we didnt have a lot of damage. So i didnt have a spare hand for a shield and we hadnt gotten any magical loot that worked for us (other than a cleric-replacement item-npc that was taken from us when we were defeated) so i didnt have an amulet of natural armor or ring of deflection or even +1 armor or weapon.
I didnt even have any dex or dodge as the ability scores were not suitable to see that i got some dex and i spent my feats to increase my aegis customization points because i had it in my head that i'd use them to "meet challenges" via reconfigure amd all that. In practice, i failed at that.
And yeah, De isn't likely paladin material.
Also, since you are noting higher levels and such, i'm not 100% but i believe the current plan takes us to 10th level or so (still forever on a pbp) and i dunno if we are moving on somewhere else after that or what.
Yeah sorry guys not trying to overwhelm you all. And yeah I stay forgetting about the whole alignment thing with paly, use to 3.5 with all of its variants.
So it seems like you guys need to up your damage and your healing, and perhaps your overall flexibility/synergy right?
hrm...making me rethink stuff yet again, I will wait on the word from Dmb before I do anything, gonna keep the fluff for Genevieve but more than likely change her class into something that can keep you guys going.
Yessai: I really don't think there is a way for anyone else to buff the dire zone as far as I know. Best thing I can think of is them debuffing the enemies on top of it.
If you guys figure out what you are going to do with your gestalt halves let me/us know(mostly me lol) so I can tailor my crunch and avoid any overlap.
Pretty sure Dee and Gem are done/decided. I'm not likely to do anything to shore up any shortfalls nor try to cover any bases. I guess I'm an old grognard who makes the character I want to play rather than what the party composition might need. Maybe that is selfish, but it feels more verisimilitudinous to me.
Having said that, I respect those coming into the game wanting to find out who and what we are, and how they might help.
Personally: I'm just looking of a character that is just that. A character. Not zany, not brooding. Not overblown nor understated. Just a being who finds themselves in extraordinary circumstances, and acts as their will, morals, experience and compulsions dictate.
But I'm not the boss. Just an opinionated player. :)
* Angelpalm - yep - you'll note I said Paladin mechanics - I pretty much see classes as chassis to attach a flavor to. For me, a Paladin/Ninja makes perfect sense if flavoured as say...James Bond or even Batman. Awesome rigtheous power coupled with stelath and subterfuge and pretty pretty assassination skills. I basically don't give any credence to alignment or alignment restrictions in my games. A Lawful Barbarian, who pays homage to the lore of their clan, or a Chaotic monk who is wild and furious despite their awesome dedication to their training and katas. Don't get me started on druids, undeath and Paizo taking almost a decade to come to that party...
Hmm—missed the new interest in in-combat healing. Will do a minor retool, it's in line with the story as I'm working on it now, so all good.
Everyone: I intend to close recruitment this Friday. If your submission is not completed by that point, then I will evaluate based only on what you have (with the understanding that you can finish filling in what you need to after being selected). I will decide who gets in either on Friday or this coming weekend.
Understood. My apologies for the delay, my computer is on life support. If you're interested, most of my mechanics are finished and can be found here.
Hia :)
Not sure what I am going to create at this point, but I wanted to throw down a dot for now. Maybe something fast?
I'm going to withdraw from consideration; my character just isn't coming together the way I want him to. Best of luck to you all.
I should have my submission ready late tonight.
Sorry to see you go!
Vitalist/Soulknife, checking in. Focus is on tanking damage, and healing.
Backstory etc is in the profile. Fear is captivity, based on a previous history of slavery. Being in a giant demi-plane prison is probably not high on his list of fun activities:(
I always forget how cool the vitalist can be, though I suggest you guys should have Body Purification on your list of powers known.
Body Purification
Maybe Cleanse Body instead of Share Pain, but I'd say definitely not worth my only 3rd level power, at least on a 'Daily Loadout' basis.
Well I suggested body purification since it's actually on the list for vitalist. :)
I think that's one of the (many) transcription errors in d20pfsrd's Psionics section. 'Cleanse Body' is a 2nd level Vitalist power, at least in my Ultimate Psionics pdf.
Unfortunately something has come up and I find myself without enough time to get a character completed by the deadline, so I will be pulling out. Good luck to everybody else.
Hrm let me do a quick check, sometimes it can be an error on either end to be honest. Either one should be cool although I think cleanse body is cool for the other stuff it does.
edit: yup it's on there at 2nd level with body purification being 3rd level(which was I remember it being for another class;psychic warrior?)
Lol the d20 site doesn't even have it on their list at all.
Seems about right.
Okay...so his main goal is exploring the worlds?Did he ever know anything about his family, or were they separated from him before he can remember? The early portion of your backstory makes it sound like most of the others he was brought up with were humans or species with shorter lifespans than dwarves.
Otherwise, your submission looks good.
Goal: It was, though more in an "I can go places because I want to" kind of way.
Family: Not a clue or a memory. It'd be nice if he found them someday, but he's got no idea how to make that happen, if they're even alive, or how he'd even know if he did meet them.
Growing Up: Exactly right-- didn't make friends, didn't keep in touch with any other freed slaves. Completely putting that life behind him.