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Looking into a concept, but I'm run into somethings that require a double check on the rules:
So assume character is third level in both classes (World Walker Druid + Urban Ranger). Character now has Favored Terrain via the Druid, and Favored Community with the Ranger.
Favored Community (Ex): At 3rd level, the urban ranger forms a bond with a community. While inside the limits of this community, he gains a +2 bonus on initiative checks and Knowledge (local), Perception, Stealth, and Survival skill checks. An urban ranger traveling through his favored community leaves no trail and cannot be tracked (although he may leave a trail if he so desires).At 8th level, and every five levels thereafter, an urban ranger may select an additional favored community. In addition, at each such interval, the skill bonus and initiative bonus in any one favored community (including the one just selected, if so desired) increases by +2.
For the purposes of this ability, a community is any settlement consisting of 100 or more individuals. The community may be larger than this minimum. Outlying farms, fields, and houses are not considered part of a community. This ability replaces favored terrain.
Favored Terrain (Ex): At 3rd level, the world walker gains the ranger’s favored terrain ability. She treats her druid level as her ranger level for this ability. If she has levels in both classes, both class’s levels stack for determining the effect of this ability. This ability replaces trackless step and reduce nature’s lore.
First Question, Does the Druid's Favored terrain count ranger's levels for the "both class's levels stack for this ability" bit due the fact that the Ranger in question doesn't actually have the Favored Terrain Class feature? I'm not seeing anything to suggest the ranger requires it, but I'm double checking. I did check the errata and they mention nothing.
Second Question, If the Favored Terrain selected overlaps with the favored community, do the bonuses stack? Seems pretty clear that they are considered different abilities, so the automatic reaction would be that they stack, but I still gotta ask.
So, in example, the character selects Urban for their first favored terrain and the city of Absalom for their first favored community. So, while roaming the urban streets of Absalom, what are the bonuses granted via these two class abilities?
Q1: Since the Ranger trades out the favoured terrain ability, those levels do not qualify as stacking. He has the effective favoured terrain of a zero level ranger because his ranger archetype does not have the favoured terrain ability. So the zero ranger levels of favoured terrain stack with the Druid levels of favoured terrain to give you your druid level of favoured terrain. (a similar topic has been hashed out with animal companions).
Q2: Because the favoured community replaces the favoured terrain instead of modifying it, it is a completely different ability. So it would stack bonuses with favoured terrain. (all these bonuses are untyped).
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Basis in the rules for "Q1"?
I agree with both answers from an RAI stance, but I'm trying to verify the rules here.
You need a rule to confirm that a class that doesn't have an ability doesn't add to the effective level of another class?
That is like asking for the rule that when you are dead, you can't take actions. There is no rule that exists.
If your ranger levels don't have Favored Enemy, they don't stack with Druid levels with Favored Enemy when the Druid ability says it stacks with Ranger levels for Favored Enemy.
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If your ranger levels don't have Favored Terrain, they don't stack with Druid levels with Favored Terrain when the Druid ability says it stacks with Ranger levels for Favored Terrain.
Even though the ability in question merely says it stacks ranger levels, and lists no requirement for the ranger having favored terrain?
EDIT: Fixed references to favored enemy instead of favored terrain.
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If your ranger levels don't have Favored Enemy, they don't stack with Druid levels with Favored Enemy when the Druid ability says it stacks with Ranger levels for Favored Enemy.Even though the ability in question merely says it stacks ranger levels, and lists no requirement for the ranger having favored enemy?
Ranger levels do stack, because they have favored enemy.
Do you really want every ability to spell out the obvious?
"This ability stacks with ranger levels unless you take an option that doesn't have Favored enemy like normally in which case it doesn't stack because you don't get favored enemy with a ranger that trades away favored enemy."
Or "stacks with ranger levels" for short.
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If your ranger levels don't have Favored Enemy, they don't stack with Druid levels with Favored Enemy when the Druid ability says it stacks with Ranger levels for Favored Enemy.Even though the ability in question merely says it stacks ranger levels, and lists no requirement for the ranger having favored enemy?Ranger levels do stack, because they have favored enemy.
Do you really want every ability to spell out the obvious?
"This ability stacks with ranger levels unless you take an option that doesn't have Favored enemy like normally in which case it doesn't stack because you don't get favored enemy with a ranger that trades away favored enemy."
Or "stacks with ranger levels" for short.
Most do, right? I was under the impression that most of the class abilities that stack with class levels say they do. Normally, an ability would list something like "if the character has levels in another class with this ability, they stack with class levels from this class for the purposes of this ability."
Paizo's usually very good about this, hence why I'm asking in the first place.
PS: topic is favored terrain, not enemy. Your comments are still on topic, just wanted to clarify. I got mixed up with your previous comment, so it's both of us that had it wrong for a bit.
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My point is if it says it stacks with a class, it's referring to the non archetyped class. Presumably that version has a similar ability. If you archetyped away that ability, it should be obvious it no longer stacks Nd they do not always (ever?) list it as "has that ability". Rather I usually seem them just saying the class.
Basis in the rules for "Q1"?
I agree with both answers from an RAI stance, but I'm trying to verify the rules here.
For the benefit of others reading this thread, here is the RAW from the book:
If an archetype replaces a class feature that is part of a series of improvements or additions to a base ability (such as a fighter's weapon training or a ranger's favored enemy), the next time the character would gain that ability, it counts as the lower-level ability that was replaced by the archetype. In effect, all abilities in that series are delayed until the next time the class improves that ability.
This means that even though something may say it stacks with ranger levels, that advancement is delayed by an equal amount in this case.