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Unfortunately no............ when you can have both War Machine and Iron Man?Diddent they just kill war machine?*shrugs*
Everyone was mentioning Rhodey so I figured he was still alive or something.
Crap.
Well, then people need to stop saying how he would have made a better Iron Man than Riri on account of you having to be ALIVE to do so.
Yes, I'm aware we're talking about comic books and how flimsy the natural progression of life and death works but bringing a dead superhero back, to take on ANOTHER superhero's roll, is incredibly more sillier than what's actually happening.
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Okay Rysky. For the love we both share of Linnorms, I'll stop trying to make the case for Rhodey. I will however be interested to see Infamous Iron Man/Doctor Doom.
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Okay Rysky. For the love we both share of Linnorms, I'll stop trying to make the case for Rhodey. I will however be interested to see Infamous Iron Man/Doctor Doom.
This would intrigue me more if they hadn't already done this (and brilliantly) with the Superior Spider-Man/Octavius.
I kind of prefer Von Doom to be a conflicted bad guy, and for this to fail spectacularly, just because he's Doom and has *never* been able to fully live up to his self-proclaimed 'man of honor' notion.
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Cloned illegally from a combination of his and Rhodey's DNA, but given a female chromosome to stabilize that mixture?Pet theory
Riri is actually Tony's illegitimate daughter
Rhodney seems to logical a choice. Maybe Nick Fury? Or his secret daughter?
EDIT: Bonus points if she was raised in alternate universe.
Sweet Jeebus, NO. Seriously. Not everything needs to be connected to everything else in the Marvel Universe. And more importantly, she needs to not be related to Stark because then the undercurrent will be "Oh, she just gets her smarts from her dad." Clean break.
I really wish they could get a woman or even a black woman on as writer or co-writer. This character has so much potential and I hate that Bendis is going to drop the ball on her. Seriously: He's already writing MilesSpidey, this book, and now the new IronDoom book. That's already one book, if not two, too many.
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Sokay Rksky. I forgive you.
Set,
This is true but even so, I think he'll do a better job at being Iron Man than that other person.
I'm interested in this, but I can't believe they chose that name. Unless it's written into her backstory that she was teased relentlessly by other children, the character will have failed any chance of believability.
Seriously, if she's 15 now, then her name was a popular insult when she was five. Kids don't just let that kind of golden ridicule opportunity pass.
RIcki RIcardo Williams?
Marvel has a s@$~load of heroes, admittedly, but their A-level heroes are a rather condensed group. Depending on how you count, of course. With this, we now have:
Wolverine, now a woman. Thor, now a woman. Spider-man, not replaced but with Spider-Gwen, a woman. Iron Man, now a woman and black. Captain America, replaced by a man and a woman. Not having followed it all, what has happened to Nick Fury, Cyclops, Mr Fantastic and Dr Strange?
Perhaps it's good business sense, and really, a lot of these characters grew stale and overused ages ago. But... too much replacement, too quickly? Is it really such a fresh perspective that a big hero becomes a woman if that same thing happened to the last six big heroes to have a new storyline?
A good character is a good character, whether male or female. It may be that these are all remarkable characters in nuanced, interesting, fresh storylines. It just seems to be the new thing, and like every other such thing, it is overdone.
And of course, it will be changed back in not too long, if past performance is anything to go by.
Exactly. What other A-list heroes remain to be replaced? Hulk? Punisher?
EDIT: Ah, silly me. Apparently the Cap woman was from 2099. So there is one.
Exactly. What other A-list heroes remain to be replaced? Hulk? Punisher?
EDIT: Ah, silly me. Apparently the Cap woman was from 2099. So there is one.
Amadeus Cho is the Hulk now. Spider-Gwen is from an alternate reality, so I dunno if she really counts. The 616 universe does have an abundance of Spider-People at the moment....Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Spider-Ham, Silk, Spider-Woman, Scarlet Spider...maybe a few other I'm not remembering (although I'm not positive that Spider-Ham stayed in 616 after Spider-Verse and Secret Wars).
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Hulk kind of already has been, as the Totally Amazing Hulk is Amadeus Cho, a young Korean-American super-genius (and a pre-established character, having travelled with Hercules for some time, and had his own book).
But people taking on other characters names and roles, or spinning off of them, has been around for quite some time. There's a Supergirl, two Batwoman, Bat-Azrael, Bat-Nightwing, Batwing, three Batgirls, a passle of Robins, a half-dozen Green Lanterns from Earth, etc. over at DC, and at Marvel, She-Hulk, X-23, two Spider-Women, two Spider-Girls (not even counting Spider-Gwen or Silk), Jane Foster/Thor, 'Black' Goliath, Isiah Bradley/Captain America (one of 300 black men an experimental and dangerous attempt was tested on in an attempt to make more super-soldiers), etc.
It is almost harder to find people who *don't* have legacies of this sort. Just looking at the Fantastic Four, Frankie Raye was the second (or third, if you count Jim Hammond as the first...) Human Torch, and Sharon Ventura, the second Ms. Marvel, became the 'She-Thing' after her Power Broker-based powers went nuts and turned her into a rocky lumpy freak like Ben Grimm. Even Dr. Doom has had replacement Dooms in the form of some adopted kid (Kristoff Vernard) taking on his role, and a Doombot getting confused and replacing him.
And then there's Loki, who cut to the chase and became his own legacy characters, taking on Kid Loki, Teen Loki and Lady Loki forms... :)
Well, okay. Hulk is Korean-American. Spider Man is at the center of a gaggle of Spider-Whatsits, but still Peter Parker? Considering the reaction to Ben Reilly... And then there is the ever-lovable Punisher, who has not yet been replaced by a woman. Or maybe he isn't A-list anymore? Ah yes, Daredevil?
I dunno. And I do apologize if I come across as crass/racist/whatever. I just don't think it's necessarily good storytelling to use the same recipe over and over.
My Marvel-reading days ended with Civil War, which had me questioning the sanity of every character involved. And the writers. I guess I shouldn't criticize what I am no longer a part of.
I think that was the feeling many of us had for Civil War.
Civil War II, not as much angst just dumbfoundedness at time.
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I dunno. And I do apologize if I come across as crass/racist/whatever. I just don't think it's necessarily good storytelling to use the same recipe over and over.
Yeah, it sometimes feels to me that characters coming in as mid-season replacements, like this young black girl as 'Iron Man' are being set up to fail. Obviously long-time fans of Tony Stark are not going to be thrilled by *anyone* replacing him, and when this new character doesn't get the traction desired, editorial can throw up their hands and say innocently (and speciously), "See! We tried! It's the *fans* who don't like young black girls, not us!"
(An impression I got from Avi Arad, who said that 'audiences don't want movies about strong female characters' because of the critical reception to Elektra and Catwoman, when what he *should* have said is that 'audiences don't want movies that *suck.*')
OTOH, mostly because of Civil War, but also because of the MCU, I'm well beyond 'peak Tony Stark' and kind of ready for him to take a knee for a few years, and let someone else play for a while.
Maybe Riri will take off, and find her own niche, later, as she grows out of whatever Stark/Iron Man fangirlism she is starting out with, and makes her own unique armored identity. (Similarly, Thor Odinson may eventually prove worthy of Mjolnir again, and Jane Foster, if she keeps up the role and beats the big C, will end up with one of the dozen or so other hammers lying around, thanks to the Fear, Itself storyline.)
At least we are past the day when one's superhero codename was likely to include references to plainly visible ethnicity and gender, like 'Black Lightning' or 'She-Hulk.'
Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.
Unless we're talking about transgendered Hulk...
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Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.
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Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.
Yeah, and Black Lightning is still obviously visibly black, that's where I was going with that. She doesn't really need a 'she' in her name, since anyone can see that she's a Girl-Hulk, not a Boy-Hulk.
At least it only happened with some non-white-dude groups. It would have gotten even more awkward if everybody had to have their ethnicity or gender built into their name. Gypsy Scarlet Witch! Asian Psylocke! Gay Northstar!
Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.Yeah, and Black Lightning is still obviously visibly black, that's where I was going with that. She doesn't really need a 'she' in her name, since anyone can see that she's a Girl-Hulk, not a Boy-Hulk.
At least it only happened with some non-white-dude groups. It would have gotten even more awkward if everybody had to have their ethnicity or gender built into their name. Gypsy Scarlet Witch! Asian Psylocke! Gay Northstar!
Calling her Asian Psylocke would make sense, given the character's history (I'm of the apparent minority that both remember and prefer when she was British Psylocke).
Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.** spoiler omitted **
What about Red She-Hulk? or was she depowered by Doc Green?
What about Red She-Hulk? or was she depowered by Doc Green?Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.** spoiler omitted **
I think she was depowered, not sure. Not sure about Lyra either.
Calling her Asian Psylocke would make sense, given the character's history (I'm of the apparent minority that both remember and prefer when she was British Psylocke).Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.Yeah, and Black Lightning is still obviously visibly black, that's where I was going with that. She doesn't really need a 'she' in her name, since anyone can see that she's a Girl-Hulk, not a Boy-Hulk.
At least it only happened with some non-white-dude groups. It would have gotten even more awkward if everybody had to have their ethnicity or gender built into their name. Gypsy Scarlet Witch! Asian Psylocke! Gay Northstar!
Minority? Really? Well, if so, I am another. It wouldn't be so bad if they had even tried developing asian Psylocke's character, but that never seemed to happen.
Well, I assume that if we were a majority, they would have found some way to pop her back into her original body by now. Hell, I'm surprised nobody has done it, even temporarily. Then again, I'm not sure people at Marvel remember British Psylocke anymore....even Betsy Braddocks from alternate timelines/universes always seem to have ended up turning into Asians.
I gave up paying any attention to Hulk before there were a dozen of them. What happened to Banner, anyway? He was still around in the run up to Secret Wars.
Banner's Hulk energy was transferred to Amadeus Cho. The latest incarnation before this happened. was the "Jade Genius" or Doc Green, when Tony Stark inserted Extremis into a dying Banner's brain. This created a new Hulk incarnation that was to Banner in intellect that Banner was to the Green Hulk. He'd rant about how in the past that Banner would start fights that he'd only let the Hulk out to finish. But they'd actually converse writing sentences to each other and then transforming to have the other one reply. Doc Green however found that his mental processes were evolving towards those of the Maestro and refused to take more Extremis to prevent his personal "Algernon Effect" and instead decided to go on a crusade to depower all of the other Hulks... with the sole exception of She-Hulk. For a short while he was squatting in the Baxter Building after the Fantastic Four got evicted from it.
Banner himself now relies on...wait for it..... BannerTech!.
I gave up paying any attention to Hulk before there were a dozen of them. What happened to Banner, anyway? He was still around in the run up to Secret Wars.Banner's Hulk energy was transferred to Amadeus Cho. The latest incarnation before this happened. was the "Jade Genius" or Doc Green, when Tony Stark inserted Extremis into a dying Banner's brain. This created a new Hulk incarnation that was to Banner in intellect that Banner was to the Green Hulk. He'd rant about how in the past that Banner would start fights that he'd only let the Hulk out to finish. But they'd actually converse writing sentences to each other and then transforming to have the other one reply. Doc Green however found that his mental processes were evolving towards those of the Maestro and refused to take more Extremis to prevent his personal "Algernon Effect" and instead decided to go on a crusade to depower all of the other Hulks... with the sole exception of She-Hulk. For a short while he was squatting in the Baxter Building after the Fantastic Four got evicted from it.
Banner himself now relies on...wait for it..... BannerTech!.
Glad I wasn't paying attention.
And people think this proposed Iron Woman is a silly story idea.
I rather liked the "Doc Green" storyline myself. It put a rather interesting and novel inversion on the Hulk/Banner relationship, and because Doc Green was smarter than the rest of the Marvel crowd, he gave them all new reasons to want to hunt him down and have a new round of Hulk vs. Marvel Hero battles. That and we got a sense of how Peter David's Maestro came to be in the Future Imperfect timelines. It was the first time anyone had done something novel with the character since the Peter David run.
I think she was depowered, not sure. Not sure about Lyra either.What about Red She-Hulk? or was she depowered by Doc Green?Uhm I think She-Hulk is still female.** spoiler omitted **
The Lyra storyline was aborted when the Doc Green run of the Hulk was prematurely terminated.
Ambrosia,
There's no proof that
Also Lyra is currently hanging out somewhere in the Marvel U.
Secondly, why is no one commenting on my transgender She Hulk?
Ambrosia,
There's no proof that ** spoiler omitted **
Also Lyra is currently hanging out somewhere in the Marvel U.
Secondly, why is no one commenting on my transgender She Hulk?
I suspect because it is part:
A: Discomfort with the idea
B: Transgender doesn't work *quite* like that, I don't think?
C: Does it actually exist?
D: Would the character be the same?
E: WTF happened to Jen Walters, freakin' 4th-wall breaking green-bodied lawyer of awesome?
Jen has been seen in their reboot poster so It's safe to assume she lives
she is however dual wielding swords, one of which looks like the Black Knight's Ebony blade
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Secondly, why is no one commenting on my transgender She Hulk?
A transgender She-Hulk could be an interesting concept for a character. The character and book would definitely need a trans woman writer because they've lived much of this new She-Hulk's background. This is one of those times that I don't believe a non-trans writer could fake it, regardless of their skill and empathy. Frankly I can't think of any of Marvel's current writers who can handle the topic with the necessary sensitivity, insight, and skill. ...So we just need to somehow persuade Marvel to let Crystal Frasier write the book. :)
You hear that Ms Frasier! We want YOU to do Transgendered She-Hulk! :D
Also Grey, that's not She-Hulk. That's Gamora.
You hear that Ms Frasier! We want YOU to do Transgendered She-Hulk! :D
Also Grey, that's not She-Hulk. That's Gamora.
really?
the one between Cable and Slapstick? could have sworn that was She Hulk
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I'm not sure people at Marvel remember British Psylocke anymore....even Betsy Braddocks from alternate timelines/universes always seem to have ended up turning into Asians.
I've also read recently that she's always had purple hair, because of being a mutant, when we've seen her from the past, as a blonde (like her brother) before she dyed it. Ugh.
I can learn to deal with the deliberate retcons, but the writers who just don't bother to learn the past of the characters they've elected to write is just annoying.
I'd be interested in knowing more about what Kwannon was up to *before* she got body-entangled with Betsy. She seemed to at least have *some* minor psychic ability, along with amazing ninja skills, and be a prominent *something* in that area of the world... As a character, she got kind of tossed aside, and then brought back to be killed off by Legacy, which, like so many apocalyptic threats to mutantkind, seemed to be selectively picking off mutants nobody had ever heard of. :)
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As for the Green Hulk, Red Hulk, Grey Hulk stuff, I remember (probably incorrectly) that the Red Hulk / Red She-Hulk stuff started running around the same time as all the Red Lantern / Orange Lantern / etc. over at the Distinguished Competition, and wondering if Red Rage Hulk was going to be followed by a Yellow Fear Hulk and a Purple Love Hulk.
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No no no, that would be the Pink love hulk and the Purple depression hulk.
"Purple depression hulk is saddest of all..."
"Purple Hulk just sit here. Leave Purple Hulk alone. Purple Hulk might smash, if Purple Hulk gets irritated enough. Purple Hulk has no energy."
You hear that Ms Frasier! We want YOU to do Transgendered She-Hulk! :D
Also Grey, that's not She-Hulk. That's Gamora.
really?
the one between Cable and Slapstick? could have sworn that was She Hulk
Pretty sure that's Gamora, Grey.
Pretty sure that's Gamora, Grey.You hear that Ms Frasier! We want YOU to do Transgendered She-Hulk! :D
Also Grey, that's not She-Hulk. That's Gamora.
really?
the one between Cable and Slapstick? could have sworn that was She Hulk
ah nuts
She-Hulk with the Ebon Blade seemed like a cool idea
at least I get Spider-Squirt back
It does look like that Grey.
I'm still wondering what happens to A-Force.
*liked A-force*
/facepalm
You know ... if you keep using them again and again and again "shocking deaths" kind of stop being shocking
and being stupid doesn't help
Grey,
I'm assuming you're talking about the outright MURDER of Bruce Banner, right?
Grey,
I'm assuming you're talking about the outright MURDER of Bruce Banner, right?
yep
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Pretty sure that's Gamora, Grey.You hear that Ms Frasier! We want YOU to do Transgendered She-Hulk! :D
Also Grey, that's not She-Hulk. That's Gamora.
really?
the one between Cable and Slapstick? could have sworn that was She Hulk
ah nuts
She-Hulk with the Ebon Blade seemed like a cool idea
at least I get Spider-Squirt back
Grey, if you see a green woman look at the eyes. If there is yellow around them, it is Gamora; if not then it is She-Hulk.
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Grey,
I'm assuming you're talking about the outright MURDER of Bruce Banner, right?
Since it was 'just' Rhodey, there was a slim chance the first shocking death might 'stick' for awhile. Now that an A-lister like Bruce is dead, it's pretty guaranteed there'll be a built-in retcon or do-over...
Eh. Comics. If the death is of someone even a non-comic fan would recognize, it's temporary. Nature of the serial business, I suppose.