shuriken ?

[jonhl1986]

can't seem to find this anywhere but what would be the cost to get magical shuriken like say i wanted agile +9 shuriken how much would that cost me and how many would i be able to get for that cost ?

[Neils Bohr]

I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's calculated the same as arrows or bolts. The enchantment price supplies to a set, which I think it's 5 for shuriken.

Also, you're not allowed +9, the max is +5 with +5 worth of special abilities.

[jonhl1986]

ah ok didn't know +5 was the cap would adding returning to them make it so they aren't destroyed ?

[Bob Bob Bob]

A single +10 (equivalent) shuriken would be 4,000. It would also break after hitting, with a 50% chance to break on a miss. The price of a +10 (equivalent) weapon is 200,000 gp, for that same price you could get 50 +10 (equivalent) ammunition (which is what shuriken is).

Returning does not stop it from breaking. That's a property of ammunition itself, which is what shuriken are. In addition, the one way around this (durable arrows) specifies that magic properties are still lost, even if the arrow doesn't break. Ammunition is cheaper but breaks, that's why it's cheaper.

[RaizielDragon]

Unfortunately, this is the current inherent weakness of any thrown ammunition build (which is pretty much just shurikens); you lack a reliable way to always have an enchanted weapon. In other versions, I believe there existed a bag or pair of gloves that produced magical versions of certain small, light weapons and ammunition; typically throwing knives. The item would be set to a certain value, so a lesser bag might be +2, a minor bag a +4, and a greater bag a +6, or something like that.

You could try and work out something with your GM to houserule such an item. It should probably be priced similarly to an amulet of mighty fists, because it's a bit more flexible than a normal magic weapon, can be essentially dual-wielded by a two weapon thrower, and, in the case of shurikens, can potentially get even more attacks, thanks to the Ninja support for extra shuriken attacks.

[Hayato Ken]

For shuriken you want someone to cast (greater) magic weapon and similar buffs on them. That´s one reason why warpriests are the best shuriken throwers.

[Illeist]

It's worth mentioning, just for the record, that ranged weapons aren't eligible for agile. It can only go on finessable melee weapons.

[jonhl1986]

oh if you can't add agile to ranged weapons how do you do any dmg with them im building a lvl 20 ninja for a pvp game im in that we get 30pt buy and max wealth and id like to flurry of stars and i assume you can't get twf tree with shuriken or can you ?

[Java Man]

You can stack twf and rapid shot with shuriken. You get damage with per hit riders, like sneak attack, poison, or ranger favored enemies.

[jonhl1986]

ok and is poison something you can straight up buy or do you need to craft it never really understood poison.

[Java Man]

Poison is expensive by the book, check w your gm for availibility.