Flurry of Blows and Tengu claws

[Silverhand]

Hi everyone.

According to the Flurry of Blows entry for Monks:

"A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks."

Seems pretty straight forward.

If I have a Tengu monk, can I use his claws and/or beak as part of flurry of blows or not?

If not - would the Tengu just do normal damage of, say, a human monk?

Thanks!

[Gisher]

I don't understand your question. You just quoted the section that says you can't use them. What am I missing?

[Deighton Thrane]

If you have seen someone use their claws with a monk build before, and are confused why it says you can't, it'll likely because they were using feral combat training, which does allow you to use natural weapons while using flurry of blows. Normally though, the tengu will do unarmed strike damage appropriate for a medium creature of it's level.

[Silverhand]

Deighton Thrane wrote:

If you have seen someone use their claws with a monk build before, and are confused why it says you can't, it'll likely because they were using feral combat training, which does allow you to use natural weapons while using flurry of blows. Normally though, the tengu will do unarmed strike damage appropriate for a medium creature of it's level.

Would Feral Combat Training also allow for the Beak attack using Fury of Blows as in Claw, Claw, Beak?

[Deighton Thrane]

If you took weapon focus for both claws and the bite, and then feral combat on both, then you could use both claw and bite in the flurry of blows. You'd still be limited to the amount of attacks you normally get with flurry of blows, so no bite, claw, claw until level 6 when you get a third attack, because feral combat training just allows you to replace the unarmed strike with a natural weapon attack.

Or, you could go with the much better option and just attack normally with natural weapons, which would allow for the claw, claw, bite without any investment, and without any flurry penalties (if you're using the core monk).

[James Risner]

You can't use any natural attacks in a flurry, period.

If you have FCT, then you can replace one of your attacjs in the flurry with a natural weapon. You do not arrack with that weapon, but instead attack with the natural weapon.

[Kazaan]

Normally, you can't incorporate Natural Weapons into a flurry. That means you can't use them "in addition" like your can for a non-flurry full-attack, nor can you "replace" attacks in your flurry with natural attacks. Feral Combat Training allows you to select one (and only one) natural weapon and you can "replace" attacks in your flurry with that natural weapon. The feat doesn't allow you to take it more than once, though, so you you could pick either the beak or the claws; not both. FCT is mainly used to give you options beyond Bludgeoning for your unarmed damage type or to deliver rider effects attached to your natural weapons (eg. natural poisons, grabs, etc). If you want to rely on using a large number of natural weapons as a Monk, it might be better taking an archetype that swaps out FoB and use a normal full-attack instead.

[Menacing Shade of mauve]

Silverhand wrote:

Deighton Thrane wrote:

If you have seen someone use their claws with a monk build before, and are confused why it says you can't, it'll likely because they were using feral combat training, which does allow you to use natural weapons while using flurry of blows. Normally though, the tengu will do unarmed strike damage appropriate for a medium creature of it's level.

Would Feral Combat Training also allow for the Beak attack using Fury of Blows as in Claw, Claw, Beak?

Feral Combat Training gives you ZERO extra attacks. You replace unarmed strikes with natural attacks, on a one-to-one basis. Your number of attacks is equal to the number of unarmed strikes you could potentially make.

[BigNorseWolf]

if you're a monk you may as well keep the sword training instead of the claws, because either you can't use your claws at all or you can get feral combat training and just do a flurry of pecks.