I can't find anything telling me that it is possible to voluntarily open up for an attack of opportunity, but neither can I find anything to the contrary. It seems like it should be possible to move about recklessly.
For example, if I have Canny Tumble and Spring Attack, could I choose to ignore Spring Attack's "does not provoke AoO" bit to combine it with Canny Tumble?
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Pathfinder is a game that tells you what you're allowed to do, rather than prohibiting what you can do, in general.
Otherwise, nothing says I don't have heat vision...
You can purposely provoke an AOO. However if you are successful with your canny tumble roll then you don't provoke. If you're unsuccessful, then you provoke but don't get the benefit of the feat. Spring attack doesn't provoke although there's nothing stopping you from performing an melee attack action that provokes an AOO (like a trip attack without the improved trip feat for example). You can't use the two feats together.
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish so I don't know if that's helpful. The only time I've purposely provoked AOO's was with a monk character that would run through melee provoking all the AOO's so the rest of his party could move freely. Not sure I'd recommend the tactic though. No matter how high your armor class, someone will eventually roll a 20 and turn your character into sushi :-)
I'm not sure how you think those two feats interact...
I think you are trying the following:
-Move through an opponents space (Acrobatics)
-Attack said opponent from the other side (Canny Tumble)
-move some more (spring attack)
This would not require you to provoke at any point.
It would require you to make the acrobatics check.
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish so I don't know if that's helpful. The only time I've purposely provoked AOO's was with a monk character that would run through melee provoking all the AOO's so the rest of his party could move freely. Not sure I'd recommend the tactic though. No matter how high your armor class, someone will eventually roll a 20 and turn your character into sushi :-)
I'm not sure how you think those two feats interact...
I think you are trying the following:
-Move through an opponents space (Acrobatics)
-Attack said opponent from the other side (Canny Tumble)
-move some more (spring attack)This would not require you to provoke at any point.
It would require you to make the acrobatics check.
If I just use Spring Attack, I move up to an enemy and roll a normal attack roll against him, then finish my movement afterwards, without provoking any attacks of opportunity.
However, if I'm able to choose to provoke an attack of opportunity along the way and before my attack, I can use acrobatics to negate the attack of opportunity. With Canny Tumble, avoiding the attack of opportunity in this way means that I gain a +2 bonus on my attack roll AND my enemy is denied his dexterity bonus on his AC against my attack. Then, with Spring Attack, I can pull back afterwards.
Note that Spring Attack is a full-round action, which means that I must choose to use that from the start of my movement. I can't simply say halfway through my turn that I want to turn Spring Attack on.
The barbarian has a special ability that allows him to provoke so without something like that you can't just provoke because you want to.
However, if I'm able to choose to provoke an attack of opportunity along the way and before my attack, I can use acrobatics to negate the attack of opportunity.
In addition, you can move through a threatened square without provoking an attack of opportunity from an enemy by using Acrobatics.
Acrobatics doesn't negate an AoO you have already provoked, if your check succeeds your movement doesn't provoke an AoO in the first place.
However, if I'm able to choose to provoke an attack of opportunity along the way and before my attack, I can use acrobatics to negate the attack of opportunity.In addition, you can move through a threatened square without provoking an attack of opportunity from an enemy by using Acrobatics.Acrobatics doesn't negate an AoO you have already provoked, if your check succeeds your movement doesn't provoke an AoO in the first place.
Right. The point I'm trying to make is that as I read it, there needs be a chance of an attack of opportunity in the first place for Canny Tumble to be possible. Don't you agree?
With Spring Attack there is no chance of attack of opportunity from the target of my character's attack, which is why I want to ignore that part of Spring Attack, if possible.
The barbarian has a special ability that allows him to provoke so without something like that you can't just provoke because you want to.
Which special ability is that?
Right. The point I'm trying to make is that as I read it, there needs be a chance of an attack of opportunity in the first place for Canny Tumble to be possible. Don't you agree?
With Spring Attack there is no chance of attack of opportunity from the target of my character's attack, which is why I want to ignore that part of Spring Attack, if possible.
I could be wrong, but try moving through the enemies occupied space. That should still provoke, even with Spring attack.
The only way to provoke on purpose is to take an action that provokes. You can't make a non-provoking action provoke.
Which special ability is that?The barbarian has a special ability that allows him to provoke so without something like that you can't just provoke because you want to.
Actually I misread it. The ability allows the barbarian to leave himself open to free attacks, and then he can take AoO's against the attacker, but the rules still clearly define when you provoke. You must take a provoking action.
In care you are still interested here is the ability.
Come and Get Me (Ex)
Prerequisite: Barbarian 12Benefit: While raging, as a free action the barbarian may leave herself open to attack while preparing devastating counterattacks. Enemies gain a +4 bonus on attack and damage rolls against the barbarian until the beginning of her next turn, but every attack against the barbarian provokes an attack of opportunity from her, which is resolved prior to resolving each enemy attack.
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I see no reason you couldn't use Acrobatics during Spring Attack movement. All using Acrobatics does is reduce your speed and make your movement not provoke - while Spring Attack also makes your movement not provoke, I don't think that matters. You could choose to Acrobatics through an empty field if you so chose. If you need a loose justification, tell your GM that you are tumbling to prevent any potential AoOs from an invisible person who might be there, as Spring Attack only prevents AoOs from your target.
Right. The point I'm trying to make is that as I read it, there needs be a chance of an attack of opportunity in the first place for Canny Tumble to be possible. Don't you agree?
With Spring Attack there is no chance of attack of opportunity from the target of my character's attack, which is why I want to ignore that part of Spring Attack, if possible.
I agree. You can't ignore that part of Spring Attack it's how it works.
I see no reason you couldn't use Acrobatics during Spring Attack movement. All using Acrobatics does is reduce your speed and make your movement not provoke - while Spring Attack also makes your movement not provoke, I don't think that matters. You could choose to Acrobatics through an empty field if you so chose. If you need a loose justification, tell your GM that you are tumbling to prevent any potential AoOs from an invisible person who might be there, as Spring Attack only prevents AoOs from your target.
That justification doesn't work. Canny tumbles bonus only applies to characters you would have provoked from.
I see no reason you couldn't use Acrobatics during Spring Attack movement. All using Acrobatics does is reduce your speed and make your movement not provoke - while Spring Attack also makes your movement not provoke, I don't think that matters. You could choose to Acrobatics through an empty field if you so chose. If you need a loose justification, tell your GM that you are tumbling to prevent any potential AoOs from an invisible person who might be there, as Spring Attack only prevents AoOs from your target.
Because uncanny tumble says you have to use it to avoid an AoO from an opponent, not a potential opponent who may not even be there. You already know the target of Spring attack can make an AoO so unless there are really invisible opponents then Canny Tumble does nothing. It also calls out "that(opponent who could hit you with an AoO). That spring attacked opponent is not that opponent.
