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Here's a question to all you guys out there. So in a previous mission we were tasked with finding documents that could have been damning to a certain Venture Cpt. My character is Liberty's Edge and another character is Silver Crusade (I think). During the course of the mission my character made it to the statue and recovered the item in question, I placed it in my pack before returning to the action, the rogue in the party then made his way over to me and took the package out of my pack. No roll to see me place the package in my pack or anything like that. He used out of game knowledge to know that I had the package, and then I wasn't allowed to tell him no he can't take it from me. The rest of the party was across the room dealing with threats. At the end of the adventure we were approached by the Venture Captain, and I would have liked to have handed over the documents gaining a boon in the process, but the Silver Crusader stated no that wouldn't be possible. He told the table he was giving it to the proper people exposing the Captain's past, and gaining a boon in the process. How do I deal with that at a table? The guy basically took control of the situation without consulting anybody. I was the only one opposed to the action. I wasn't planning on keeping the information from the group, but nobody else made a move to get the documents, and then it was just taken from me. Wasted action economy on my part. How do you guys settle disputes like that? I felt bullied into the situation. The player in question is a veteran to the PFS and I am rather green, but it seemed like out of game he influenced the table greatly.
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Ultimately, it sounds like your GM didn't handle the table well, and the Rogue wasn't playing according to the spirit of the game, taking stuff from other PCs is borderline PvP. However, as a minor note, unless you were actively trying to be stealthy when you grabbed the documents, no roll is required to notice it.
The scenario in question:
includes explicit text that says who to give the documents to is ultimately up to the party, not whoever is holding tyhe documents, and about what to do if the Liberty's Edge PCs get outvoted. While the player in-question should have consulted the group before answering, it sounds like you were outvoted either way.
It's unfortunate that your fellow players lacked the basic social skills to smooth over the conflict, and the GM failed to put a stop to it, but sometimes that's just how things play out.
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Thank you for all of your responses. Maybe it wasn't a boon he received but something from his faction card about blackmail, and there was no vote it was one guy saying we are giving it to this person, and me saying no we should give it to the Liberty's edge. No vote at all, which I would be totally fine with being outvoted, and I was stealthing to the location. I am a fair player, and if it would have been voted on I wouldn't have this problem. It was just frustrating. The rogue wasn't even the one who was deciding who to give it too. Sounds like I need a talk with my GM. Thanks again guys!
Venture-Lieutenant, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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Thank you for all of your responses. Maybe it wasn't a boon he received but something from his faction card about blackmail, and there was no vote it was one guy saying we are giving it to this person, and me saying no we should give it to the Liberty's edge. No vote at all, which I would be totally fine with being outvoted, and I was stealthing to the location. I am a fair player, and if it would have been voted on I wouldn't have this problem. It was just frustrating. The rogue wasn't even the one who was deciding who to give it too. Sounds like I need a talk with my GM. Thanks again guys!
Not only did your GM screw this up but the player in question either lied (There is no Silver Crusade faction mission) or he did the Sovereign Court mission which doesn't entail turning it into the authorities.
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The biggest concern that I have here is that this is entirely unneccessary. Soverereign Court should have gotten the credit for acquiring blackmail material without having to mess with your faction goal.
It's time to contact your VC. Do you know who it is?
Hmm
Thank you very much, I have contacted my VC. My biggest concern is ruffling feathers, but right is right.
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Yeah, I got the other boon. But the point was how to deal with what I thought was an unfair situation at the table. It has been handled, and there was a dialogue between all of us that resulted in some tension between myself and the aforementioned player. I probably will no longer be returning to that particular site for future PFS games, and make the 4 hour round trip drive to the next closest venue once a month or so instead of weekly. The site does have a monthly game that I will more than likely attend as I can sit at a separate table from my "nemesis." I have learned that this weekly PFS game is really just a game for the chosen people who are all friends outside the PFS, and not really welcoming to new players. Oh well.
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Well that sucks, man. The rogue player (no pun intended) was absolutely in the wrong with the dick move and it's even more dick move that you aren't really being supported by the more immediate local PFS players in the area.
I hope future games bring you a better class of players to adventure with.
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Just as a side-commentary a similar situation came up in Trouble, and the party deferred to the Exchange member as it was related to his faction relations (namely mine).
As a result, we actually ended up in a better place than if we'd gone a different route in terms of how it all shook out.
When we played
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Stealing something from you, regardless of skill checks, is a PvP action and is right out in PFS.That is not PvP. It's being a jerk. But not PvP.
Matter of scale, and no, not trying to butt heads with you this morning, Andrew.
One rogue steals an alchemist's fire (so they have something to deal with swarms)
Another steals a weapon (because they don't have something that overcomes particular DR)
A different one steals the scroll of Breath of Life because they want to use their UMD on it versus trusting the caster to be able to do it.
All of these above actions could theoretically result in the loss of a character at an inopportune moment, thus it would be 'passive-aggressive PvP' ie "Oh, I didn't kill your character, that opponent did" mentality, even though said opponent may have been overcome by the above resources that were then missing from a given character.
So yes, it IS PvP.
But it's also the jerkish behaviour you mentioned and wouldn't fly at my table save for very obscure rare niche cases (person being 'borrowed' from is under some sort of compulsion against the party, etc.)
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There are all kinds of NO about the situation you described, but I see two things that I don't think have been brought up yet. First, Sleight of Hand generally doesn't work while in combat - he would need to use the Steal combat maneuver to take the documents from you. Since this requires a check against your CMD, I would say that this is pretty clearly moving into the realm of PvP. Second, the player is pretty clearly displaying out of character knowledge. If I were the GM, I would take him aside to ask if he has a particular in-game reason to take the documents from you. It sounds like a hostile environment and I would recommend avoiding both the other player and the GM under the circumstances you described.
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Stealing something from you, regardless of skill checks, is a PvP action and is right out in PFS.That is not PvP. It's being a jerk. But not PvP.
I disagree on whether this is PvP, I accept if you are saying that stealing does not fall under PFS PvP rules, but it most definitely is PvP.
Regardless of whether it is PvP it absolutely should be against the rules as it flies in the face of "Cooperate" and the "Don't be a Jerk" rules, if nothing else.