Creatures nerfed in the transition from 3.5 to Pathfinder


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Liberty's Edge

I'm currently running a high level PFS scenario featuring an Ice Devil. Midway through the fight, I found myself thinking 'didn't these things used to be a lot scarier?' Curious, I looked up the old 3.5 stat block.

I was surprised to find that, as monsters go, the noble Gelugon didn't get a straight upgrade coming into Pathfinder.

3.5 Ice Devil

Pathfinder Ice Devil

Pathfinder Buffs

natural fly speed
14 extra hit points
+4 initiative
spear bumped to +1 icy

Pathfinder Nerfs

-3 will saves
-1 spell resistance
lost unholy aura as an at-will SLA
-4 armor class (via losing unholy aura)

I thought it was strange. I'd always heard that monsters got harder in Pathfinder but never bothered to really look at the numbers. I'm sure you could argue that gaining a natural fly speed and initiative bump is a net gain but what they lost was significant. Between the will save nerf and losing unholy aura as an SLA they lost +15 to their saves. That's huge!

Are there any other classic monsters that took major hits in the Pathfinder transition?


The monster that has "take extra actions" as a power was nerfed.

Scarab Sages

Nymphs used to be able to flat-out kill with their beauty; now the best they can do is blind and stun (although they can cast Druid spells to a reasonably powerful level) - I think that was a change in 3.5 from 3.0 rather than Pathfinder from 3.5, though. I did not approve.


The beholder was nerfed pretty heavily. It may as well not exist any more.


Bodaks.

Quote:

Death Gaze (Su)

Death, range 30 feet, Fortitude DC 15 negates. Humanoids who die from this attack are transformed into bodaks 24 hours later. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Considering that fly speed gives you pretty much immunity to attacks from non-archery martial classes, I'd say it's a pretty big deal.

Compared to 3.5, Pathfinder dragons all have CR much more in line with their stats - 3.5 dragons were deliberately under-CR'd by designers to make them more challenging.

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