Bracers of Archery - must have 2 feats?

[Qayinisorouse]

Reading the rules it seems like a character MUST have both Crafting feats (wondrous items & weapons and armor) to craft it.

My DM wanted me to ask if one of the feats can be considered a prerequisite, and simply raising the DC by 5, making it:
8 - CL
5 - Base
5 - missing feat
5 - lack of bow proficiency
23 - total.

Or is the DC 18, but must have both feats.

[Ridiculon]

The DC increases for every prereq you don't meet. You can involve other characters to meet all the prereqs btw (they have to be present for the whole time it takes to craft).

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

Craft feats cannot be skipped. Your DC, assuming you have both feats, is 18. If you don't have both feats, you can't do it, period.

[Ridiculon]

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

Craft feats cannot be skipped. Your DC, assuming you have both feats, is 18. If you don't have both feats, you can't do it, period.

Yup, my bad:

Magic Item Creation wrote:

Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by 5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting its prerequisites.

you can get help with everything except the item creation feats

[Qayinisorouse]

That's what i thought...
Isn't that odd thought? I didn't see any other items that require 2 crafting feats, usually the party splits the feats between PCs, asking a single char to take 2 crafting feats is pretty extreme...

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

A lot of rods require both Craft Rod and Craft Magic Arms & Armor. Some other wondrous items require the latter too. Spell Lattice requires Craft Wondrous Item and Scribe Scroll. They're a minority, but they're there.

[Gisher]

A number of Staves require both Craft Staff and Craft Arms and Armaments.

[Diego Rossi]

Ridiculon wrote:

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

Craft feats cannot be skipped. Your DC, assuming you have both feats, is 18. If you don't have both feats, you can't do it, period.

Yup, my bad:

Magic Item Creation wrote:

Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by 5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting its prerequisites.

you can get help with everything except the item creation feats

You can get help, simply you can't skip the prerequisite.

2 characters, one with craft wondrous items and one with craft weapons and armor can make it together.

[KalDragon]

Diego Rossi wrote:

Ridiculon wrote:

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

Craft feats cannot be skipped. Your DC, assuming you have both feats, is 18. If you don't have both feats, you can't do it, period.

Yup, my bad:

Magic Item Creation wrote:

Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by 5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting its prerequisites.

you can get help with everything except the item creation feats

You can get help, simply you can't skip the prerequisite.

2 characters, one with craft wondrous items and one with craft weapons and armor can make it together.

So... you're saying:

Just the two of us. We can make it if we try. Just the two us, you and I.

Sorry, I just had to.

[Covent]

Bracers of Falcon's Aim are another option instead of the Bracers of Archery if that helps.