Eldritch Scion / DD build questions

[8ug]

I know there has been a lot of posts about Dragon Disciples, and even with Eldritch Scion, and I've read a lot of them, and still have a few questions I'd like help with. Really it's clarification on things brought up, or just how I see it after reading posts and researching it, and would like clarification.

Planning on Building a Magus (Eldritch Scion) to lvl 4, then go into DD full, and probably turn back into Magus to finish to 20 or however high I go.

1. Assuming GM is alright with bloodrager draconic bloodline continuing progression in DD, I would see Dragon Bite being permanent as claws are.

2. Bonus bloodline feats would not be given with DD because of Eldritch Scion.

3. Wings, even under different name given, would still be only given with bloodrage. (would love it to be given always, with the bonus to 90 ft given when bloodraging because of different name.... but that doesn't fit with everything else I am seeing I think).

4. Dragon forms are separate, so would get first use at lvl 7 DD, second use and stronger form at lvl 10 DD and would get third use of stronger form at lvl 6 Eldritch Scion (plus 10 levels DD), only the last Dragon form received would need to be used while bloodraging.

5. Since Dragon Forms are (SP) and (SU) I believe you wouldn't need the dragon scale to use them.

6. While sticking with light armor, and the nice bonus natural armor, my PC would not suffer arcane spell failure, but would just have to worry about concentration checks in combat.

Sorry for so much, but would love some feedback on how I'm seeing it, if it's right, or if I'm totally wrong, or if it's up to GM.

[Manly-man teapot]

1: Bloodrager claws are not "permanent", but they can be active whenever you bloodrage. I agree that you would have your bite whenever you have your claws.
2. You have an ability that gives you a bonus feat, and you have a draconic bloodline from which to pick a bonus feat. Eldritch Scion has an (unneccesary) rule about not gaining bonus feats....from Eldritch Scion levels.
3. Agreed. Wings when raging, speed boost at level 12.
4. Agreed, separate transformations.
5. (Sp) and (Su) abilities don't require components.
6. correct.

[Gisher]

8ug wrote:

Planning on Building a Magus (Eldritch Scion) to lvl 4, then go into DD full, and probably turn back into Magus to finish to 20 or however high I go.

Dragon Disciple requires 5 ranks in Knowledge (arcana) as a prerequisite so you'll need 5 levels in Eldritch Scion before you can enter DD.

[8ug]

Manly-man teapot wrote:

1: Bloodrager claws are not "permanent", but they can be active whenever you bloodrage. I agree that you would have your bite whenever you have your claws.

It says on paizo bloodrager site

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The bloodrager gains bloodline powers at 1st level, 4th level, and every 4 levels thereafter. The bloodline powers a bloodrager gains are described in his chosen bloodline. For all spell-like bloodline powers, treat the character's bloodrager level as the caster level.

And then down with Draconic bloodline:
At 1st level, you grow claws. These claws are treated as natural weapons, allowing you to make two claw attacks as a full attack, using your full base attack bonus. These attacks deal 1d6 points of damage each (1d4 if you are Small) plus your Strength modifier. At 4th level, these claws are considered magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. At 8th level, the damage increases to 1d8 points (1d6 if you are Small). At 12th level, these claws deal an additional 1d6 points of damage of your energy type on a hit.

Where does it have the claws as only during bloodrage?

[8ug]

Gisher wrote:

8ug wrote:

Planning on Building a Magus (Eldritch Scion) to lvl 4, then go into DD full, and probably turn back into Magus to finish to 20 or however high I go.
Dragon Disciple requires 5 ranks in Knowledge (arcana) as a prerequisite so you'll need 5 levels in Eldritch Scion before you can enter DD.

If He gets buffs to Knowledge (arcana) so that it equals 5 by level 4 can't that work? It's a class skill, so I believe he should get 1 for choice, and +3 for class skill, so he could have 5 at level 2 with int of 10. Is that correct?

And thank you both for fast responses.

[Manly-man teapot]

8ug wrote:

Gisher wrote:

8ug wrote:

Planning on Building a Magus (Eldritch Scion) to lvl 4, then go into DD full, and probably turn back into Magus to finish to 20 or however high I go.
Dragon Disciple requires 5 ranks in Knowledge (arcana) as a prerequisite so you'll need 5 levels in Eldritch Scion before you can enter DD.

If He gets buffs to Knowledge (arcana) so that it equals 5 by level 4 can't that work? It's a class skill, so I believe he should get 1 for choice, and +3 for class skill, so he could have 5 at level 2 with int of 10. Is that correct?

And thank you both for fast responses.

It needs 5 ranks, which requires you to be level 5. Your total skill modifier is irrelevant.

[Manly-man teapot]

8ug wrote:

Manly-man teapot wrote:

1: Bloodrager claws are not "permanent", but they can be active whenever you bloodrage. I agree that you would have your bite whenever you have your claws.

It says on paizo bloodrager site

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Where does it have the claws as only during bloodrage?

"Bloodrager Bloodlines

When a bloodrager enters a bloodrage, he often takes on a physical transformation influenced by his bloodline and powered by the magic that roils within him. Unless otherwise specified, he gains the effects of his bloodline powers only while in a bloodrage; once the bloodrage ends, all powers from his bloodline immediately cease, and any physical changes the bloodrager underwent revert, restoring him to normal.

[8ug]

ah, thank you, I skipped over that part when reading, and I didn't understand the skill ranks and modifiers. This has been very helpful :)

[K-kun the Insane]

Just remember that you only have your claws and such for 2 rounds before they disappear and you need to enter Mystic Focus again to use them again. Therefore, I reccommend making sure you have a good sized Eldritch Pool.