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Double checking:
Positive energy damages, but all other forms of healing/HP increases function with undead (and creatures that heal as if undead), right?
Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature's Intelligence score.
So, okay, with intelligent undead (and creatures that heal as if undead):
The Heal skill (treat deadly wounds) would work normally, right?
Technically, it seems so, since that's not the same as natural healing. It makes sense—a zombie can be stitched back together, after all.
I really like the idea of playing an undead and stitching myself up while the rest of th party sleeps.
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But the main way to 'heal' undead is negative energy. So Inflict spells.
That's not really true. That's like saying the main way to heal living creatures is positive energy. Yeah, it's a fast way and a common one for adventurer parties, but there are lots ways to regain HP, with sleeping being the easiest to access.
Normal rest heals 1 HP per level per 8 hours and double that for a full 24 hours of rest. The Heal skill "provide long term care" doubles this rate of healing (so 2 and 4 times level per interval). This would be the 'main' way to heal. Adventurers are just impatient.
Healing is really cheap in this game.
There is no "natural healing" for the Undead, thus nothing for the Heal skill to work with.
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There is no "natural healing" for the Undead, thus nothing for the Heal skill to work with.
As per the Undead type description, there is no natural healing for "Unintelligent" undead. Intelligent undead retain natural healing as far as I can tell.
As for the heal skill, long term care certainly wouldn't apply to unintelligent undead, but treating "deadly" wounds should still function as written.
Intelligent undead tend to have ways around this. But natural healing doesn't occur.Source?
Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature's Intelligence score.
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Intelligent undead tend to have ways around this. But natural healing doesn't occur.Source?Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature's Intelligence score.
Are you joking....?
All you are doing is proving that intelligent undead can heal normally...
Excuse me? No I am not joking, since literally all that I did was post a direct quote from the rules and provided a source. I didn't even throw in my opinion or thoughts on the matter, I literally did nothing except for provide the citation that you requested, so you can back the hell off with the attitude.
When you come to the rules forums to ask a question, you don't act like a dick to anybody that comes in response, even if they disagree with you. This is the rules forum, not the "agree with me so I can get leverage against my GM" forum.
Edit: And for a matter of fact, I do agree with you, and that quote does implicitly prove intelligent undead can heal normally. So think twice before you snap back at somebody who came to your thread to help you find clarity.
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Excuse me? No I am not joking, since literally all that I did was post a direct quote from the rules and provided a source. I didn't even throw in my opinion or thoughts on the matter, I literally did nothing except for provide the citation that you requested, so you can back the hell off with the attitude.
When you come to the rules forums to ask a question, you don't act like a dick to anybody that comes in response, even if they disagree with you. This is the rules forum, not the "agree with me so I can get leverage against my GM" forum.
Edit: And for a matter of fact, I do agree with you, and that quote does implicitly prove intelligent undead can heal normally. So think twice before you snap back at somebody who came to your thread to help you find clarity.
Wonderful misunderstandings. Sorry I offended you. Given the context of your post, I thought you were defending the "intelligent undead can't heal" argument by reposting info the top of the thread. My mistake.
Thank you for explaining.
I responded too harshly and I apologize for that.
But as I said, even if somebody disagrees with you that doesn't give you reason to ridicule them. Saying that my comment was alright because I agree with you when it wasn't alright when you thought I didn't agree with you is not an acceptable attitude to have on the forums.
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I responded too harshly and I apologize for that.
But as I said, even if somebody disagrees with you that doesn't give you reason to ridicule them. Saying that my comment was alright because I agree with you when it wasn't alright when you thought I didn't agree with you is not an acceptable attitude to have on the forums.
Wow, there's a barrier here somewhere.
Your comment wasn't "alright" because it agreed with me, it was "alright" because it made more sense in the explained context. My comment that you objected to was also related to context, not anything to do with a disagreement.
I don't expect people to agree with me on the forums. If anything, I encourage they disagree and prove me wrong. If I'm always right, I gain nothing by asking questions on the forum.
I did apologize for my misunderstanding and I took ownership.