| vecnajoe |
Subject says it all.
From the SRD:
"Speedy Tricks (Ex)
At 9th level, a dirty fighter has perfected how to quickly perform dirty tricks. He can make a dirty trick combat maneuver as an attack instead of a standard action.
This ability replaces weapon training 2."
Does this mean you can apply dirty trick like you would Vital Strike because it is made as an Attack Action? Or is it subbing Dirty Trick for hitting someone but being able to do so on AoO's/Full Attack?
Found the wording of the last part unclear as to whether it becomes an Attack or an Attack Action.
| donato Contributor |
Subject says it all.
From the SRD:
"Speedy Tricks (Ex)
At 9th level, a dirty fighter has perfected how to quickly perform dirty tricks. He can make a dirty trick combat maneuver as an attack instead of a standard action.
This ability replaces weapon training 2."
Does this mean you can apply dirty trick like you would Vital Strike because it is made as an Attack Action? Or is it subbing Dirty Trick for hitting someone but being able to do so on AoO's/Full Attack?
Found the wording of the last part unclear as to whether it becomes an Attack or an Attack Action.
It would be in place of any normal attack roll, just like trip and disarm can be used in place of attacks.
| OldSkoolRPG |
Speedy Tricks just lets you replace one attack with a Dirty Trick.
So if you are doing full attack action one of your attacks can be replaced with a Dirty Trick. If you are making an AoO you can replace the attack with a Dirty Trick.
This means that yes technically you can use Vital Strike but since the Dirty Trick doesn't deal damage the Vital Strike doesn't really do anything as it only allows you to double the damage dice of which there are none.
| vecnajoe |
Speedy Tricks just lets you replace one attack with a Dirty Trick.
So if you are doing full attack action one of your attacks can be replaced with a Dirty Trick. If you are making an AoO you can replace the attack with a Dirty Trick.
This means that yes technically you can use Vital Strike but since the Dirty Trick doesn't deal damage the Vital Strike doesn't really do anything as it only allows you to double the damage dice of which there are none.
Why would you only get one Dirty Trick out of a full attack as opposed to subbing multiple attacks for Dirty Tricks? Not disagreeing, just asking for clarity.
I suppose the wording of the ability makes it sound singular with the "He can make "a" dirty trick" line.
| fretgod99 |
OldSkoolRPG wrote:Speedy Tricks just lets you replace one attack with a Dirty Trick.
So if you are doing full attack action one of your attacks can be replaced with a Dirty Trick. If you are making an AoO you can replace the attack with a Dirty Trick.
This means that yes technically you can use Vital Strike but since the Dirty Trick doesn't deal damage the Vital Strike doesn't really do anything as it only allows you to double the damage dice of which there are none.
Why would you only get one Dirty Trick out of a full attack as opposed to subbing multiple attacks for Dirty Tricks? Not disagreeing, just asking for clarity.
I suppose the wording of the ability makes it sound singular with the "He can make "a" dirty trick" line.
You can substitute a dirty trick for any of your attacks in this scenario (just like you could with a trip, disarm, or sunder). This means you could potentially use all of your attacks for dirty tricks in a round.
| OldSkoolRPG |
vecnajoe wrote:You can substitute a dirty trick for any of your attacks in this scenario (just like you could with a trip, disarm, or sunder). This means you could potentially use all of your attacks for dirty tricks in a round.OldSkoolRPG wrote:Speedy Tricks just lets you replace one attack with a Dirty Trick.
So if you are doing full attack action one of your attacks can be replaced with a Dirty Trick. If you are making an AoO you can replace the attack with a Dirty Trick.
This means that yes technically you can use Vital Strike but since the Dirty Trick doesn't deal damage the Vital Strike doesn't really do anything as it only allows you to double the damage dice of which there are none.
Why would you only get one Dirty Trick out of a full attack as opposed to subbing multiple attacks for Dirty Tricks? Not disagreeing, just asking for clarity.
I suppose the wording of the ability makes it sound singular with the "He can make "a" dirty trick" line.
This is correct I just worded my response poorly. I didn't mean to imply that the things I mentioned were an exhaustive list of what you could do they were just intended to be examples. You can certainly replace all of the attacks in a full attack action with Dirty Tricks.