Nature's Whispers and REF

[Fernn]

So I have Looked extensively in many threads concerning The Nature's oracle's revelation "Nature's whisper" and the Lore oracle's "Side Step Secret"

The general consensus that I have found is:

Nature's whisper applies only to AC and CMD

While

Side Step Secret applies to AC and Reflex saves.

However, the Sidestep secret has an errata stating:
"An oracle of lore with the sidestep secret revelation uses her Dexterity to calculate her CMD since no provision is made in the text to use her Charisma for that statistic.

So this could imply 2 things:

1. Sidestep secret is in fact superior since it deals with AC,Reflex, and CMD

or

2. Using Cha instead of Dex was meant for most part an aspect of defense and by extension Nature's whisper would also get a bonus to reflex saves.

Any thoughts?

[Protoman]

Sidestep secret got clarified in the FAQ to use Charisma for CMD so it's better than nature's whisper in that it's adding Charisma to CMD, AC, and Ref. HOWEVER, sidestep secret's Charisma bonus to AC is stated to be limited by max Dexterity bonus of the armor, whereas nature's whisper doesn't have that stated limitation, so a nature oracle could be benefiting from a real high AC in full plate thanks to a great Charisma bonus and a proficiency feat investment.

[Chess Pwn]

Protoman wrote:

Sidestep secret got clarified in the FAQ to use Charisma for CMD so it's better than nature's whisper in that it's adding Charisma to CMD, AC, and Ref. HOWEVER, sidestep secret's Charisma bonus to AC is stated to be limited by max Dexterity bonus of the armor, whereas nature's whisper doesn't have that stated limitation, so a nature oracle could be benefiting from a real high AC in full plate thanks to a great Charisma bonus and a proficiency feat investment.

Protoman has it wrong. The FAQ says. what is quoted in the OP

FAQ
"sidestep secret revelation uses her Dexterity to calculate her CMD"

Sidestep secret still uses the DEX for CMD. So it's answer 3,
Nature's whisper applies only to AC and CMD and not REF

While

Side Step Secret applies only to AC and Reflex saves and not CMD.

Both give you 2 out of 3.

[Protoman]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Protoman wrote:

Sidestep secret got clarified in the FAQ to use Charisma for CMD so it's better than nature's whisper in that it's adding Charisma to CMD, AC, and Ref. HOWEVER, sidestep secret's Charisma bonus to AC is stated to be limited by max Dexterity bonus of the armor, whereas nature's whisper doesn't have that stated limitation, so a nature oracle could be benefiting from a real high AC in full plate thanks to a great Charisma bonus and a proficiency feat investment.

Protoman has it wrong. The FAQ says. what is quoted in the OP

FAQ
"sidestep secret revelation uses her Dexterity to calculate her CMD"

Sidestep secret still uses the DEX for CMD. So it's answer 3,
Nature's whisper applies only to AC and CMD and not REF

While

Side Step Secret applies only to AC and Reflex saves and not CMD.

Both give you 2 out of 3.

Oh whoops totally misread that FAQ.

[Fernn]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Protoman wrote:

Sidestep secret got clarified in the FAQ to use Charisma for CMD so it's better than nature's whisper in that it's adding Charisma to CMD, AC, and Ref. HOWEVER, sidestep secret's Charisma bonus to AC is stated to be limited by max Dexterity bonus of the armor, whereas nature's whisper doesn't have that stated limitation, so a nature oracle could be benefiting from a real high AC in full plate thanks to a great Charisma bonus and a proficiency feat investment.

Protoman has it wrong. The FAQ says. what is quoted in the OP

FAQ
"sidestep secret revelation uses her Dexterity to calculate her CMD"

Sidestep secret still uses the DEX for CMD. So it's answer 3,
Nature's whisper applies only to AC and CMD and not REF

While

Side Step Secret applies only to AC and Reflex saves and not CMD.

Both give you 2 out of 3.

THANKS, I swear I misread that thing like 80 times.

I appreciate the clarification.

[James Risner]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Both give you 2 out of 3.

+1