Wand / Spell Level Question

[Ivarrwolfsong]

As a warpriest of Gorum, I add *Lead Blades* to my spell list as a 3rd level spell.

As Lead Blades is a divine spell level 1 for a Ranger, could I buy a divine level 1 Lead Blades wand and use it w/o UMD?

[Chess Pwn]

yes

[Ivarrwolfsong]

I've had people say yes because they are both Divine, but I have also had people say no because wands are supposed to be created by wiz/cleric/druid by default. This means it would be a level 3 wand.

However, that would mean Rangers wouldn't be able to buy it as a 1st level wand either =P...

Lead Blades is lovely, but I would NEVER spend a 3rd level slot on it.

[Claxon]

In general when items are being made you are supposed to use full casters first as a guidelines to price their creation cost.

Which means if a spell appears on the wizard/sorcerer, cleric/oracle, or druid spell list you should base it off of that.

However, it appears that lead blades only in only normally on the ranger spell list which should mean wands of it would be 1st level, just like the spell for rangers.

If it does appear on the normal spell list (not adjusted by domains or anything) for a full progression casting class you should probably use that instead though.

[Ivarrwolfsong]

Claxon wrote:

In general when items are being made you are supposed to use full casters first as a guidelines to price their creation cost.

Which means if a spell appears on the wizard/sorcerer, cleric/oracle, or druid spell list you should base it off of that.

However, it appears that lead blades only in only normally on the ranger spell list which should mean wands of it would be 1st level, just like the spell for rangers.

If it does appear on the normal spell list (not adjusted by domains or anything) for a full progression casting class you should probably use that instead though.

Its listed as a spell for Gorum worshippers only as a lvl 3 spell (Inner Sea Gods). The above sounds correct to me.

[Blakmane]

Ivarrwolfsong wrote:

I have also had people say no because wands are supposed to be created by wiz/cleric/druid by default. This means it would be a level 3 wand.

The confusion is probably because there is a PFS specific rule that forces you to buy wands according to a formula (where wiz/cleric/druid come first).

If this isn't for PFS there's no rule saying you can't pick up a ranger or paladin or bard wand of a spell at a lower level.

In this scenario it would still be level 1 in PFS regardless though because it's not on the warpriest spell list by default. I'm also not sure if warpriest spell list supercedes the ranger spell list for wands anyway -- I have a feeling it doesn't.

[Ivarrwolfsong]

alright, thanks all!