Can you retrain feats on your Animal Companions?


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I have a Wolf Animal companion (not optimal but was a 'gift' of that characters deity so not changing it for the time being) and it has gotten to the level it has a BAB of +4 so I want to train out the Power Attack I took at level 5 on the animal companion for Improved Natural Attack. The increase in damage along with using Enlarge Person on it will be more damage and accuracy than the Power attack at this level would with enlarge person alone.

Problem is all the retraining rules talk about the character and retraining the feat requires a teacher with the feat you want to learn (which means my character, an Animal Domain Inquisitor, cannot do the training himself as he has all the other training on his wolf).

Can you even do it on an animal companion and if so would it be done as retraining a feat on the AC or would it count as changing a class feature?

For RP reasons changing AC's is not an option at this time. The Enlarge Person is done through a single use magic item invented by the party's mage who has Craft Wondrous Item. They are ribbons that work like scrolls but anyone can use them as swift actions. Pull on the ribbon while thinking to activate the spell contained within sort of thing. She makes them and gives them to the party for things like gravity bow, Enlarge Person, etc. So my Inquisitor keeps one tied on his Breastplate and uses it with Share Spells to increase the size of his AC.

The GM has ruled that since the spell Enlarge Person can be used by Summoners that this use of Enlarge Person is fine and satisfies the line "Spells cast in this way must come from a class that grants an animal companion" in Share Spells.


Rules wise I see no reason why not as long as someone is available with the feat to train it (a little wierd for INA but their you go - I might substitute it for something more flavourful like a transmuter wizard or something). PFS says no, but their sole reason is that ACs don't have prestige to spend on retraining (a requirement in PFS).


So this looks to be in the 'ask your GM' territory?


Yeah, I don't see why you couldn't. I would say it falls under "ask your GM" but I would also predict that the vast majority of GMs who do allow retraining would allow it.


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I'd say it'd work like retraining the feat. You spend the training cash an expensing wolf kibble, renting training equipment, expert hirelings or the like. As long as the same amount of cash is spend that a PC would spend, I agree with CampinCarl9127 that I think most DM's wouldn't mind.


Given that it would be perfectly rules-legal to dismiss your animal companion and then gain a new one with the feats you want, I can't see much reason to object to retraining the AC.

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dragonhunterq wrote:
Rules wise I see no reason why not as long as someone is available with the feat to train it (a little wierd for INA but their you go - I might substitute it for something more flavourful like a transmuter wizard or something). PFS says no, but their sole reason is that ACs don't have prestige to spend on retraining (a requirement in PFS).

There has been some discussion in the PFS arena to allow the retraining of animal companions. While the proposed solution has not been implement yet, I think there is a good chance that it will be.

The related post can be found here.


Gary Bush wrote:
dragonhunterq wrote:
Rules wise I see no reason why not as long as someone is available with the feat to train it (a little wierd for INA but their you go - I might substitute it for something more flavourful like a transmuter wizard or something). PFS says no, but their sole reason is that ACs don't have prestige to spend on retraining (a requirement in PFS).

There has been some discussion in the PFS arena to allow the retraining of animal companions. While the proposed solution has not been implement yet, I think there is a good chance that it will be.

The related post can be found here.

While this is not for a PFS character I appreciate the link. More input is helpful. Thank you.

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