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I really need to know if Slashing Grace feat and fighter's Trained Grace (ex) ability from Advanced Weapon Training, can work together.
Slashing Grace (Combat)
You can stab your enemies with your sword or another slashing weapon.
Prerequisite(s): Dex 13, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus with chosen weapon.
Benefit: Choose one kind of light or one-handed slashing weapon (such as the longsword). When wielding your chosen weapon one-handed, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing melee weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a swashbuckler's or a duelist's precise strike) and you can add your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to that weapon's damage. The weapon must be one appropriate for your size.
You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.
* Beginning at 9th level, instead of selecting an additional fighter weapon group, a fighter can choose an advanced weapon training option for one fighter weapon group that he previously selected with the weapon training class feature
Trained Grace (Ex) When the fighter uses Weapon Finesse to make a melee attack with a weapon, using his Dexterity modifier on attack rolls and his Strength modifier on damage rolls, he doubles his weapon training bonus on damage rolls. The fighter must have Weapon Finesse in order to choose this option.
No. Trained Grace only worked when you are adding your strength modifier on damage rolls. Slashing Grace makes it so that you are adding your dexterity modifier instead of your strength modifier on damage rolls, so the two abilities do not work together.
No. If you are using Slashing Grace then you are using your Dex modifier for damage rolls rather than your Str modifier so you don't meet the conditions required to use Trained Grace.
Edit: Ninja'd within seconds by CampinCarl :)
I'll just add that Dervish Dance, Fencing Grace, and Elven Battle Focus similarly won't work with Trained Grace.
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No. Trained Grace only worked when you are adding your strength modifier on damage rolls. Slashing Grace makes it so that you are adding your dexterity modifier instead of your strength modifier on damage rolls, so the two abilities do not work together.
Yeah that was my first thought too, but I hoped that Trained Grace came before Slashing Grace and the proper text wasn't including in the decryption. What I was actually looking for was an errata or correction in the rules about those two.
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I'm about 98% sure that Trained Grace came out after Slashing Grace.
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I'm about 98% sure that Trained Grace came out after Slashing Grace.
It's my pleasure Tertius Faust, glad to be of help!
You are correct on the timing. Slashing Grace is from the Advanced Class Guide (August 2014) and Trained Grace is from the Weapon Master's Handbook (November 2015).
I'm pretty sure that the wording for Trained Grace was specifically designed to prevent it from combining with Slashing Grace, Fencing Grace, Dervish Dance, and Elven Battle Training. But that doesn't mean it is a bad option.
At lower levels, adding your Dex modifier to damage would be much better than Trained Grace, but at higher levels T.G. is nice. With Gloves of Dueling a Fighter will eventually get an extra +6 damage, a Myrmidarch can get up to +5, and a Myrmidarch with VMC Fighter could get +7. Weapon Specialization is a pretty good feat, but it only gets you +2 with a single kind of weapon. So using the Advanced Weapon Training feat to get Trained Grace seems like a bargain to me.
Trained Grace has a few advantages over those other options:
(1) It works with all finessable weapons in the associated weapon group.
This gives you many more options than the other feats. I believe this is the current complete list of finesseable weapons (sorted by Weapon Group).
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Axes: boarding axe, dwarven maulaxe, handaxe, knuckle axe, light pick, pata, and throwing axe
Blades, Heavy: Aldori dueling sword, elven curve blade, and estoc
Blades, Light: blade boot, brass knife, butterfly sword, dagger, deer horn knife, dogslicer, gladius, kama, kerambit, kukri, kunai, machete, pata, quadrens, rapier, ratfolk tailblade, sea-knife, short sword, sica, sickle, starknife, switchblade knife, sword cane, swordbreaker dagger, tailblade, wakizashi, and war razor
Bows: none
Close: armor spikes, barbazu beard, blade boot, brass knuckles, cestus, dan bong, dwarven boulder helm, emei piercer, fighting fan, gauntlet, hook hand, iron brush, light shield, madu, punching dagger, rope gauntlet, sap, light shield spikes, spiked gauntlet, tekko-kagi, tonfa, unarmed strike, wooden stake, and wushu dart
Crossbows: none
Double Weapons: none
Firearms: none
Flails: battle poi, cat-o'-nine-tails, gnome pincher, halfling rope-shot, nunchaku, scorpion whip, spiked chain, and whip
Hammers: aklys, battle aspergillum, dwarven maulaxe, hanbo, light hammer, and light mace,
Kobold Tail Attachment: long lash, pounder, razored tail attachment, spiked tail attachment, and sweeper
Monk: brass knuckles, butterfly sword, cestus, dan bong, deer horn knife, emei piercer, fighting fan, hanbo, jutte, kama, lungchuan tamo, nunchaku, sai, shang gou, siangham, tonfa, unarmed strike, and wushu dart
Natural: unarmed strike and all natural weapons, such as bite, claw, gore, tail, and wing
Polearms: none
Siege Weapons: none
Spears: elven branched spear
Thrown: aklys, dagger, deer horn knife, kunai, light hammer, starknife, throwing axe, light throwing shield, and wushu dart
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(2) It isn't limited to one-handed fighting.
For me, some appealing options include:
• Two-handed fighting with an Elven Branch Spear, Estoc, or Elven Curve Blade
• TWF with Wakizashis, Scorpion Whips, or light maces
• Natural Weapon builds
(3) It works with Spell Combat unlike Slashing Grace.
Nice for a Mymidarch whip build.
(4) It stacks with your Str mod rather than replacing it.
As a Dex build you probably don't have much Str, but even a bit with enhancements can help.
Nice for a swtich-hitter since Str adds to damage with bows or thrown weapons.
Good for two-handed builds since you get that 1.5x boost.
Gisher: Pick up Fighter’s Finesse [Advanced Weapon Training] and the weapons don't even have to be normally finesseable for the group.
Gisher: Pick up Fighter’s Finesse [Advanced Weapon Training] and the weapons don't even have to be normally finesseable for the group.
That's a good idea, but the limitation of only being able to take Advanced Weapon Training once every 5 levels would delay taking it for a while. Some of the groups already have plenty of options, but Fighter’s Finesse could really open up some of the others.