Door Shield

[Artifix]

Could I have a blacksmith or someother person turn a Door into a shield or a weapon so it doesn't count as improvised weapon. I want to be a Shaman with the Slums spirit then I can be bashing people with the door, then open it up and jump through it and appear outside another door.

[GM Arkwright]

There's traits for treating improvised weapons as actual weapons. Alternatively, just ask your GM if you can fluff a Heavy Wood Shield as a door, he'll probably be cool with it, it's similar enough.

[Dekalinder]

You can't treat it mechanically as both a door and a shield. You can fluff your shield as a door or a door as a shield, but for mechanical reason you should always treat it as only one or the other.
Besides, i'm pretty sure that Doors to Everywhere requires the door to be actually attached to someting, otherwise you can't "open" it.

[Artifix]

GM Arkwright wrote:

There's traits for treating improvised weapons as actual weapons. Alternatively, just ask your GM if you can fluff a Heavy Wood Shield as a door, he'll probably be cool with it, it's similar enough.

But using a trait like Surprise Weapon will still leave -2 on attack rolls.

[Arachnofiend]

Arkwright was likely talking about the Rough and Ready trait, actually. Not sure if it would be applicable to a door, though.

[Joey Cote]

Sure, slap 50 lbs of wood to one arm and try to bash people with it. Or block with it. Let me sit back and laugh.

[Yuri Sarreth]

A slab of wood does not a door make.. carrying it around would not allow you to use the ability you are looking at in my ruling..

Now if you wanted to claim you are bashing people with an old door and you had a wooden tower shield I could let that by happily..

[Joey Cote]

So many problems with this concept. A door is nothing like a shield. A shield is either one piece of metal or a series of planks, usually riveted together with metal bands and banded around the edge with a metal boss to prevent the planks from getting shattered on a edge when hit and to keep them together. A door, like what you want, would have a frame. The frame could be metal, but isn't bound around the edge of the door like the boss on a shield would be. Even if you hinged it so the hinges are facing out, you would need something like multiple drop bars on the inside to keep the door from buckling away from the frame on a solid hit.

Consider too, a standard door is about six and a half to seven feet tall, and three feet wide. That is much, much bigger then a tower shield, and isn't including the dimensions of the frame. Consider if you then bound a wood door with metal banding like a wood shield would be, and made the frame out of metal to give it enough durability to take hits without shattering, you are talking about something that will be almost 100lbs. On ONE arm. Imagine trying to bash someone with your arm carrying 100 lbs. Or move the shield around to try to block an attack (although at this point you don't have a shield, you have a portable wall). Or go to a gym and pick up a 100 lb dumbbell, its just not reasonable. You could make the door smaller, say 5' tall and 2' wide, in which case it might be more like a tower shield, but you would still need to take into account the need for a frame and drop bars.

In more game terms, something like this would be a large sized tower shield. And you cannot bash with a tower shield.

[Artifix]

Ok, I guess I need to say, that yes I am going to have the door in a frame. Also if a door would be to big, would a smaller trap door style thing work.

[Create Mr. Pitt]

You're not likely to find anyone here who says that this is supported by the rules. However, it's not so game breaking or annoying that such a thing would be impossible to the right GM. I'd ask them, perhaps, over time, they would allow it.

[Wolin]

This topic reminded me of the Defender's Door from the last RPG superstar.

If it were me, I'd call a door an improvised tower shield, depending on the size of the door. You'd need the frame to be attached to the door still so you could actually open and shut it. Probably what you'd do would be to plant it on the ground and just open it into people's faces as a 'shield bash', making it an exception to the normal rules of not being able to bash with a tower shield.

I think the biggest problem you're likely to face is not being able to bring the door with you when you step through it.

Also, don't forget about Catch off-guard. Great feat. Also, if you're using that, it's amazing how many things you can attach bear traps to.

[Artifix]

I like the idea of using it as a improvised tower shield, especially the opening the door to bash people with. But do you think I could get a smaller door then normal so it actually fits through other doors and such.

[Chris Lambertz]

Merged threads.

[Imbicatus]

You can't bash with a Tower Shield. Regardless, if you are carrying around a door, it just becomes a plank of wood. It's not a door unless it's attached to a structure and can be opened or closed.

[Artifix]

Imbicatus wrote:

You can't bash with a Tower Shield. Regardless, if you are carrying around a door, it just becomes a plank of wood. It's not a door unless it's attached to a structure and can be opened or closed.

If its attached to a door frame, which it hopefully will be, it should be able to open and close.

[Oddman80]

A door opens within a frame, because the frame is fully anchored to a structure (typically a wall). If you remove the wall from the assembly, sure, you have a door and a frame, but without setting it on the ground, and having at least one other person help brace it while you 'open it' - it is just going to flop all over the place, and eventually collapse on the ground.