dragon ferocity lets you use either twice your strength mod or 1+1/2 your strength mod on unarmed strikes. Am I correct that a brawler using power attack and this feat in combination still gets the +2/-1 power attack progression despite the bigger strength bonus?
Yes
More strength bonus on unarmed strikes doesn't make unarmed strikes 2 handed, so yea Power Attack bonus would stay the same.
There's an argument that the monk and brawler's special unarmed strikes slip in through the natural attack clause. They're natural attacks that get 1.5x strength, ergo they get better Power Attack. A different class just using a feat to get IUS wouldn't be able to do it.
More strength bonus on unarmed strikes doesn't make unarmed strikes 2 handed, so yea Power Attack bonus would stay the same.There's an argument that the monk and brawler's special unarmed strikes slip in through the natural attack clause. They're natural attacks that get 1.5x strength, ergo they get better Power Attack. A different class just using a feat to get IUS wouldn't be able to do it.
And that argument is incorrect, but you're right, it does exist.
Oh right, I forgot, Monk unarmed strikes are only natural attacks when that's a bad thing for the Monk.
Oh right, I forgot, Monk unarmed strikes are only natural attacks when that's a bad thing for the Monk.
No it's that monk unarmed strikes aren't primary natural attacks. thus being a natural attack doesn't help them get better power attack because they aren't primary, they aren't any KIND of natural attack, they are just Natural attacks.
More strength bonus on unarmed strikes doesn't make unarmed strikes 2 handed, so yea Power Attack bonus would stay the same.There's an argument that the monk and brawler's special unarmed strikes slip in through the natural attack clause. They're natural attacks that get 1.5x strength, ergo they get better Power Attack. A different class just using a feat to get IUS wouldn't be able to do it.
They don't get 1.5 strength, though. They explicitly add only 1x strength modifier to unarmed strikes and flurry attacks:
"A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands.
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There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes."
"A brawler applies her full Strength modifier (not half) on damage rolls for all her unarmed strikes."
They get 1.5 Strength if they have Dragon Style. The rule changes, so effects that work off of that rule change.
Oh right, I forgot, Monk unarmed strikes are only natural attacks when that's a bad thing for the Monk.No it's that monk unarmed strikes aren't primary natural attacks. thus being a natural attack doesn't help them get better power attack because they aren't primary, they aren't any KIND of natural attack, they are just Natural attacks.
All natural attacks are either primary or secondary. If they aren't getting 1/2 strength and a -5 penalty to hit, then it's a primary attack.
They get 1.5 Strength if they have Dragon Style. The rule changes, so effects that work off of that rule change.
But Power Attack doesn't say "You get 1.5x the bonus whenever you get 1.5x your strength modifier."
It says "You get 1.5x the bonus when you use a weapon in 2 hands." Dragon Style doesn't interact with Power Attack in any way.
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There's an argument that the monk and brawler's special unarmed strikes slip in through the natural attack clause.
There was an argument that everything stacked unless it specifically said it didn't
There was a passionate argument that class skills were not a class feature
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