defender of the society... no prerequisites?

[Del_Taco_Eater]

Can I give my paladin defender of the society trait? In parentheses next to the trait name it says (fighter society). Does this mean you have to be a fighter to take the trait?

[Gullyble Dwarf - Lvl 7 DM]

Yes, you have to have the class Fighter. There's multiple "of the Society" feats and I believe all are class based.

I believe a Brawler qualifies as well, since their Brawler levels qualify as Fighter levels for most things, but I'm not 100% on this.

[Nefreet]

Del_Taco_Eater wrote:

Can I give my paladin defender of the society trait? In parentheses next to the trait name it says (fighter society). Does this mean you have to be a fighter to take the trait?

It's important to note that there are two versions of this Trait.

One requires you to be a Fighter, and one does not. One is a Combat Trait, and one is a Campaign Trait.

If this is for PFS, only the class-based Trait is legal. Brawlers (and some other Fighter-types) count as having Fighter levels for purposes of feat requirements, but I'm unaware of any that would qualify you for this Trait.

[master_marshmallow]

Nefreet wrote:

Del_Taco_Eater wrote:

Can I give my paladin defender of the society trait? In parentheses next to the trait name it says (fighter society). Does this mean you have to be a fighter to take the trait?

It's important to note that there are two versions of this Trait.

One requires you to be a Fighter, and one does not. One is a Combat Trait, and one is a Campaign Trait.

If this is for PFS, only the class-based Trait is legal. Brawlers (and some other Fighter-types) count as having Fighter levels for purposes of feat requirements, but I'm unaware of any that would qualify you for this Trait.

Which campaign is it from?

[Nefreet]

Shattered Star.

[DinosaursOnIce]

Nefreet wrote:

Shattered Star.

I'm confused, I've heard this before but that trait still says it requires you to be a fighter.

What am I missing here?

[master_marshmallow]

DinosaursOnIce wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Shattered Star.

I'm confused, I've heard this before but that trait still says it requires you to be a fighter.

What am I missing here?

Just checked, the Archives has both of them listed together, and such it includes the class prerequisites, but the Player's Guide does not. In fact, there are a lot of interesting interactions that could be had with the way the Player's guide doesn't list prerequisites.

Paladins taking Exalted for instance, would inadvertently gain 2 uses of Lay on Hands, any arcane caster can gain another 0-level spell slot (which I like a lot more than most people), and a lot of the hybrid classes actually get some decent options, like more rage for the bloodrager, or more rounds of performance for the skald. I'm pretty sure archetypes that gain these kinds of abilities (like the Evangelist gaining bardic performance) can also take these traits as well.

[Diego Rossi]

DinosaursOnIce wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Shattered Star.

I'm confused, I've heard this before but that trait still says it requires you to be a fighter.

What am I missing here?

This is the text in the Shattered star player's guide:

Quote:

Defender of the Society (combat): Your time spent studying

the greatest warriors of the Society taught you new defensive
skills while wearing armor. You gain a +1 trait bonus to
Armor Class when wearing medium or heavy armor.

It is a free download that you can find here and it make no mention of it being a fighter trait.

[Melkiador]

I find it interesting that it's a trait bonus to AC. That means it always applies. Even if you are flat footed against touch. This trait is better than dodge.

[master_marshmallow]

Melkiador wrote:

I find it interesting that it's a trait bonus to AC. That means it always applies. Even if you are flat footed against touch. This trait is better than dodge.

One example of fighters getting nice things ain't too bad.

[Melkiador]

I just noticed the catch. It's mostly only good for fighters because you have to be wearing medium or heavy armor, which means you will be taking a movement penalty if not a fighter. Medium mithral armor would count as light and not trigger the trait.

[master_marshmallow]

Melkiador wrote:

I just noticed the catch. It's mostly only good for fighters because you have to be wearing medium or heavy armor, which means you will be taking a movement penalty if not a fighter. Medium mithral armor would count as light and not trigger the trait.

There was a whole thread about that very topic, and I believe the resulting conclusion was that Mithral doesn't mean that the armor is light for all purposes, but only purposes off movement which means the trait still works.

[Avoron]

Mithral armor: What exactly does it mean when it says mithral armor is counted as one category lighter for “other limitations?” wrote:

This means that mithral armor allows its wearer to use it when her own class features or special abilities demand her to wear lighter armor; in other words, the character wearing the armor is less limited. For example, a bard can cast spells in mithral breastplate without arcane spell failure, a barbarian can use her fast movement in mithral fullplate, a ranger can use his combat style in mithral fullplate, brawlers, swashbucklers, and gunslingers can keep their nimble bonus in mithral breastplate, rogues keep evasion in mithral breastplate, a brawler can flurry in mithral breastplate, characters without Endurance can sleep in mithral breastplate without becoming fatigued, and so on. It does not change the armor’s actual category, which means that you can still store a creature one size category larger in a hosteling mithral fullplate, and you can’t enhance a mithral breastplate with special abilities that require it to be light armor, like brawling (though you could enhance it with special abilities that require it to be medium armor), and so on.

[DinosaursOnIce]

Diego Rossi wrote:

DinosaursOnIce wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Shattered Star.

I'm confused, I've heard this before but that trait still says it requires you to be a fighter.

What am I missing here?

This is the text in the Shattered star player's guide:

Quote:

Defender of the Society (combat): Your time spent studying

the greatest warriors of the Society taught you new defensive
skills while wearing armor. You gain a +1 trait bonus to
Armor Class when wearing medium or heavy armor.

It is a free download that you can find here and it make no mention of it being a fighter trait.

Good to know. I've always been a little puzzled by that until now.

[Nefreet]

These sorts of questions usually spurn from reading online sources first, rather than the original content. My guess is that the OP saw this on d20pfsrd and came here to ask about it.