If they are clarifying an FAQ or errata then yes since they are the writers of the FAQ.
Why do you need for natural weapons to be considered as light weapons?
For reference, this is the post in question.
I find it a bit silly for your GM to trust FAQs, but not the account that usually posts them in the relevant thread. And also, because that if the post was the opinion of a single developer, they would post it with their own personal account.
Secondly, is the language of Weapon Finesse enough for whatever the quarrel at hand is?
Well, if this is a PFS issue, I'd recommend making/moving the thread over there. PFS has its own set of houserules.
That ability seems to have been for manufactured weapons, and after reading weapons finesse it seems that natural weapons are not light weapons.
Normally if something is going to work with light weapons it will specifically call them out.
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That ability seems to have been for manufactured weapons, and after reading weapons finesse it seems that natural weapons are not light weapons.
Normally if something is going to work with light weapons it will specifically call them out.
Errr... like the Weapon Finesse text saying,
"Special: Natural weapons are considered light weapons."?
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Dear friends, I meet a rule quarrel with my DM.
I quota the account "Pathfinder Design Team"'s post as proof, but my DM said
the account's post is nonsense, he trust only book and faqs and RAW.
So I just want to be clarified, does the account Pathfinder Design Team mean anything on the official rules?The post I quo is
Pathfinder Design Team Official Rules Response
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook (OGL)
Natural attacks are light weapons (though they are never expressly defined as such in the rules).
Sounds like your PFS GM is a goofball.
The Pathfinder Design Team is listed as the Official Rules Response, here on the forums. This means that their statements are no different than Jason Bulmahn, the man himself, coming into a thread and saying "Natural Weapons are Light Weapons."
Unless your GM decides the Official Paizo forums are a bunch of garbage (which is silly, if he's a PFS GM), or PFS has a specific ruling on the matter in relation to PFS (i.e. Natural Weapons are not considered Light Weapons), that he must have cited to you and everyone else who is participating, then they are required to follow what the rules state (that Natural Weapons are considered Light Weapons, though they aren't otherwise expressly listed as such, as it mentions in the Weapon Finesse feat), and what the Pathfinder Design Team posts mention, because they are the Official Rules Response that he's asking for.
They're also the very same poster that list FAQs being written in relation to the threads at hand, as well as make mention of there being any errata being involved into a post.
That ability seems to have been for manufactured weapons, and after reading weapons finesse it seems that natural weapons are not light weapons.
Normally if something is going to work with light weapons it will specifically call them out.Errr... like the Weapon Finesse text saying,
"Special: Natural weapons are considered light weapons."?
That feat is saying that they are generally light weapons weapons.
The "special" portion of feats is saying how that specific feat treats it.
What if another member of Paizo’s staff answers a question?
The design team is the final arbiter of how the core rules are supposed to work. Other staff may weigh in with opinions about rules (and in general the staff is very informed about the rules), but it's the design team’s job to understand all the ins and outs of the rules, and the design team’s responsibility to make official rulings about the core rules.
That might help.
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When it comes down to it, the GM is the arbiter of odd cases like this.
If I were the GM, the real question I'd have is how do you realistically "hang" a claw or other natural weapon from the sash for 24 hours?
By that logic, how do you "hang" any weapon from the cloth without treating it like a noose? Being without your weapon for 24 hours can be a real damper as an adventurer, especially if you're out on the field.
It's quite simple to treat it as a make-shift arm-raiser. It has the length for it (from shoulder to waist). Here's an example.
My DM said natural weapon is only treated as light weapon when you choose the Weapon Finesse feat. Since there's not a universal rules on natural weapons, I can't debate with him.For reference, this is the post in question.
I find it a bit silly for your GM to trust FAQs, but not the account that usually posts them in the relevant thread. And also, because that if the post was the opinion of a single developer, they would post it with their own personal account.
Secondly, is the language of Weapon Finesse enough for whatever the quarrel at hand is?
I suggest you re-read the Bane Baldric line closely:
If the wearer is not an inquisitor, she gains the bane ability of a 5th-level inquisitor, but must first attune a light or one-handed melee weapon to the baldric by hanging it from the cloth for 24 hours, and can only use the bane ability with the attuned weapon. Attuning a new weapon to the baldric ends the attunement for the previous weapon.
The Bane Baldric is limited to Light or One-Handed Melee Weapons. If the GM is going to rule that it's not a Light Weapon, then it's not grounds for discounting that the Natural Weapons in question are One-Handed. (This would mean you couldn't use it with a Bite Attack, however, since it doesn't require hands to execute.)
If you were wanting to attach it to one of your Claws, it requires one hand to use, it is (or could be) a Primary Natural Weapon (which means 1x Strength), which translates to it walking, talking, and quacking like a One-Handed Weapon. If he goes as far to say that it's not, and says it's a Two-Handed Weapon or some other stupid crap, then I'd question how much he actually knows about the rules on the matter.
Especially when the Development Team, the Official Paizo Rules Response, specifically says that Natural Attacks (i.e. Attacks made with Natural Weapons) are Light Weapons.
I think that a natural weapon does not benefit from a bane baldric because a baldric is a particular way of carrying a weapon. It's not a sling for an arm. In Pathfinder, magic items have to be used in their intended fashion to work. You can't wear a headband of great intelligence around your ankle and get the benefits. You can't wear a fast-runner's shirt as a cape and get the benefit. You can't tie a cloak of resistance around your arm and get the benefits. Similarly, you can't use a bane baldric as some sort of improvised arm sling and get benefits from it.
Natural weapons are light but that's not what makes this an 'expect table variance' combo. I'd expect to see a good portion of DM's to disallow natural weapons from "hanging" off the item for 24hrs. If this was a home game it'd be one thing, but it's questionable enough to make it ill advised to bring it into a multiple DM environment like PFS.